UPDATED WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE, ORIGINAL POST BELOW
Okay, first off – here is Black Spade’s side of the story for the first time since the original e-mail. Note that everything else in the original post and subsequent comments under my name were my thoughts, opinions and words. So here are his:
Credit due to Made Monarchs for putting the video together.
On the other side of things… after two days of dodging questions and beating around the bush, Charles Hamilton finally came through on his word and uploaded the ProTools session files for his version of the “Shinin’” track. Below is a video the homie Primuts Luta of AvantUrb made showing that Black Spade’s original beat is sitting right there in the very file Charles himself uploaded, titled “08 – Shinin’” as it appeared on the beat CD and all.
So what this means is that Charles Hamilton, one way or another, took Black Spade’s original composition (note its a stereo track and not original source files) and added other elements to it. Now, all in fairness – what most likely happened was Charles was given the Black Spade beat on a CD by a mutual friend or something, and he used the beat thinking it was either that person’s beat and they were cool with it, or he thought it was the original break itself (since Spade did re-create it and sing it to mimic the original).
Not a big deal, right? However – Charles should’ve just said that shit from the jump and this wouldn’t have even been an issue, but he didn’t. He claimed that he did the beat all by himself straight from the original record, that the voice heard on his song was a filter and not Spade’s (note there’s no filtered voice part in those sessions), etc. So now this kid’s credibility is completely shot and I can only hope that people continue to treat him as such from here on out.
This is 2009. We are WELL into the internet age at this point. You CANNOT get away with blatant bullshit like this and not expect to get called out and exposed for it.
So in closing – I hope this a lesson for everyone. True artists – please be careful about sending out your demo beat CD’s, uploading tracks to your MySpace, etc. Watermark your shit, date it, copyright it, whatever – just make sure you don’t get Charles Hamilton’ed. And for all the fraudulent artists out there trying to pull similar jack moves – stop.
Okay… so you guys know me, I usually play it cool on artists that I’m not into and instead, stick to supporting & promoting those that I do feel. But in this case, enough is enough – this Charles Hamilton shit needs to end already. And I’m not even tripping off of his personal life shit like a lotta people do – i.e. wearing pink, trying way to hard to make his fascination with Sonic characters sound deep when its not, his little schoolgirl blog writing style, etc. All of that is whatever to me – I’m talking strictly music and his career. Besides being massively underwhelming and suspiciously overrated as an “artist” – this dude has time and time again shown both a general lack of knowledge in hip-hop, as well as a arrogant disregard and overall lack of respect for it. You should already know how I feel about that wack ass mixtape he did over Dilla beats. And oddly enough, he left a comment replying to that post even though I never said his name in it and what he said just further confirmed that he is a newjack and doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Saying that he “anticipate[s] buying a real CD if it should drop” over a year and a half after the CD’s release date… ?!!?? LMnonpinkAO.
But whatever, I said my peace in my reply back to him, stayed cordial and kept it moving. Since then, I’ve been hearing a lot of stories about him being on some overall shady shit – jacking different producers’ beats and saying he did them, showing up unprepared for gigs & trying to use the opening act’s live band for his own set, starting YouTube/blog beefs with more established rappers, etc. But the e-mail that I got this morning from St. Louis producer/MC and Fresh Selects alumni, Black Spade, was the nail in the coffin as far as my tolerance for this dude.
Basically, Charles jacked a beat straight from Black Spade’s MySpace player and rapped over it, released the song on one of his endless barrage of half-assed & disposable mixtapes, and ironically ended up performing the song right in front of Black Spade at SXSW the other week. So Spade approaches him after the show saying that he did that beat but liked what he did with it (his opinion, not mine), asked where he got it from, etc. So the jig is up, right? Nope! Aparently, this fool Charles still tried to act like he made that beat and even went on to say that it was HIM singing on there, when anyone who’s ever heard a Black Spade song can clearly recognize that voice as Spade’s.
So with Charles refusing to admit that he took the beat from Black Spade, I’ve decided to post both of them here for you to decide for yourself. Below is Black Spade’s demo beat and then Charles’ song – both of which are coincidentally called “Shinin’.” Besides the different mix, you’ll notice that Charles’ song also has an intro before the beat drops – that’s something that Spade only included on the track when he uploaded it to MySpace, which is how he knows thats where Charles got it from. I’ve included the full e-mail I received from Black Spade after the jump to further explain the story and to seperate his thoughts on Charles from my own.
Black Spade aka Stoney Rock “Shinin’ (rough mix)”
Charles Hamilton “Shinin’”
Now I know beat jacking is nothing new – its probably as old hip-hop itself. But that doesn’t make that shit okay – especially if the thief in question can’t even own up to it when they’re not only caught in their lie, but even given props for the song. And this instance aside, the only reason this kid’s manufactured buzz has worked for him so far is because not enough people have been calling him out on his bullshit from the beginning. Thankfully, more people have been speaking out lately, namely Rhymefest, Xplosive World, and even former supporter, Karen Civil (although she quickly removed her post from her blog the same day it went up).
And I know this isn’t the only story of Charles pulling this type of shit with someone else’s beat – so if you know of a similar situation or just want to add your two cents on the issue, leave a comment and lemme know.
FULL STORY: Check the full e-mail from Black Spade SEE BELOW
SUGGESTED READING: Xplosive World’s “The Hamiltonization Falsification”
FURTHER READING: Karen Civil’s “Tough Love” and Rhymefest speaks out Part 1 & 2
“Yo!
So this is the beat Charles Hamilton CLAIMS he created. In short, when I was in Austin to perform and check out SxSW, I caught his set. He performed one of his tracks, ‘Shinin,’ which I thought was dope. However, come to find out the instrumental that he used for that track is a beat I produced a while back. After he was done performing, I let him know that I produced the beat and asked him where he got it from. In the back of my mind I know that the only place he really could have gotten it from was off my MySpace page. When I told him I produced the track and liked his lyrics, he still continued to say that HE produced the track with some dude….FALSE. He said he cleared the sample and that he is the one singing ‘Shinin’ in the background and also that his homeboy was playing the keys on the track.
Now mind you, the background ‘Shinin’ vocals that he claims he laid were not laid in the studio at all. I know this because I sampled them by singing directly into the MPC.
Basically, the Frankie Beverly & Maze sample at the beginning is from when I put the beat up on MySpace. The whole point of putting that part in the track was to show that I was about to produce, from that part, my own version of the sample. So, if you don’t hear the Frankie Beverly & Maze sample in the MP3 I am sending you, that is why.
Peace,
Black Spade aka Stoney Rock”
exposed.
good shit, sir.
The name of the record is “Golden Time Of Day” by FB&M, the song was recorded in 2007, I have the beat file/folder to prove it, as well as the ProTools session. I have no reason to lie, as well as be on this site, so that’s how you know how serious I take such accusations. Yes, I seen homie, but when he wasn’t able to answer some pretty clear questions about the “production” of the beat, I ruled it off as someone possibly sampling the same part and confusing it. Now it looks like a reach for attention. I’m not mad at anyone, including the writer of this article. I just know I got proof that the beat is mine. Thanks for the love, holla back… and thanks for not spending your blog entries spitting venom about how much you don’t like me, and instead moving on to music/art you do like. Blessings…
~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep***
I think my “schoolgirl” form of blogging is pretty on point, don’t you?
Charles,
Black Spade’s VOICE is all over “your” beat… how do you explain that??
And what were your questions about how Spade made the beat?
Email me your phone number, on some G shit. I take shit like that very serious.
charlesthehamilton@gmail.com
Let’s fix this once and for all.
Gotta Say Charles Made It First…
I Don’t Blame Charles For Taking It So Seriously It’s Music It Kan Tarnish A Reputation…
Man dont worry about the phone, talk to some crew members like myself. A guy whos had the beat you stole in his possession for like two some odd years now…talk to me. Talk to any of my crew members. Dont trip bro, your day is coming. You not gonna get away with this one you lame ass non rapping, non producing, no purpose for you to even have a career in music ass nigga.
-Majorz
Go away, Charles Hamilton. Please, just go away.
lol.
lmao, after seeing this post I may need you to guest rwite on HaterCentral
I dont kno whats true or whats false, but I do kno Spades voice..and thats clearly it. Jus call a spade a spade (no pun…) and admit that your a biter…lol.
alright, so me and Charles spoke on the phone shortly after he left that last comment
i’m not gonna be on some typical shock blogger shit, so i’ll leave out the details
overall – it was on some real man-to-man shit, no beef
he still swears that beat is all him, and i’m still skeptical about that – we agreed to disagree
but on a personal level – we’re cool, he handled the situation well
i’m gonna try and get him in touch with Spade so they can really sort it out amongst themselves
How did he explain Black Spade’s voice being in the beat?
I don’t know about your story Charles, seems a little shady to me. You also made that wack “Dilla Donuts tribute album.” SMH
Dude’s VOICE is on the beat you jacked. Log off life, fam. Can you show how you created the beat?
and oh yeah, here’s a stream of the original song that was sampled
so you guys can further make up your own minds and hear what was in the original song, and more importantly, what wasnt:
Frankie Beverly & Maze “Golden Time Of Day”
http://www.imeem.com/monalisa07/music/9igPHiLY/frankie-beverly-maze-golden-time-of-day/
I make beats.
Been studying beats for years and years.
That’s the same fuckin beat on both songs, there is no difference, how do you explain that?
you can’t
i have never heard two producers make an identical beat, at the VERY LEAST, THE DRUMS WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT TEXTURES OR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PATTERNS OR SOME SORT OF VARIATION.
They don’t.
The drums are identical on both fuckin beat, from the textures, to the frequencies, to the patterns.
And that isn’t even talking about the dudes vocal tone who is singing the hook.
Strange indeed.
LOL
Your “Pro Tools Sessions” are probably just Spade’s beat with your vocals over them and some sort of EQ that gives a slightly different air to each recording.
But the DRUMS, IDENTIAL. The HUMAN VOICE, Identical.
Fail.
One more thing, I have homies who have remade beats like “Worst Comes To Worst” by Alchemist/Dilated Peoples.
They made that shit Identically, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TOO.
Even if Charles and his boy were top notch producers, capabale of remaking Alchemist beats perfectly, they would have to INTEND ON RECREATING THE BEAT, to make it THIS IDENTICAL.
Yugh,
lol “log off life”
come on doggie — did you sample spades’ beat and chop that joint up? i mean, like everyone is saying, spade’s voice is on it.
i mean as a producer myself, even if you didnt use the exact beat — it’s hard to believe that you didnt steal those chops and all.
i listened to the original song, and there is a lot of other parts that easily could’ve been chopped up. but to take the exact chop, flip it the same way, and arrange the drums the same, is hard to believe that NOTHING was “borrowed” from spade.
no matter what – all signs point to a jackmove.
This Charles Hammy dude is nothing but a slimy pork sandwich baking in the sun. Let his own words be the end of career before it even starts. These “Yung” wrappers need to learn how to come up the ranks. Follow your chain of command and leave the Sonic games in the house. When you get out in the streets conduct yourself appropriately. You don’t know who you are dealing with half the time. Integrity, attitude and humility will take you far in the industry. You gotta know when to turn on the confidence and cockiness. Be prepared to back it up. I just don’t see what all the hype is about from this pink wearing lil faggot! His father should have raised him better.
i agree with bob.
ugh =/ respect for handling it how you have despite the evident situation.
WOW! (and at the same time not really surprised at all)
LOL….I may actually have to start listening to CH’s music now tho to make sure he hasn’t stolen one of my beats
This is a typical case of a industry nigga trying to rip off someone he thinks is unknown. unbeknown to mister chuck hamilton, black spade is known, and has a lot of fans. If you have ever heard Spades vocals, then you KNOW that that is Spade on both tracks.
The respectable thing to do is to admit that you stole the beat. A real man would have said, i was searching the new, i heard this beat, that jawns was fiyah. I recorded it off his page and laid some vocals on top. Added a little EQ and voila! Then you could salvage the situation by giving credit where credit is due, and maybe working something out.
The bitch thing to do is to swear you made the beat with your unnamed boy, and you have the pro tools session to match.
End of the story this is a sad day for anyone on here that was a Charles Hamilton fan. Big ups to Black Spade for making shit so hot that niggas have to steal it rather than making some hot shit themshelves.
geez…crazy you aired this out. honestly, as a beat head, listening to the tracks…how could you create the beat DOWN to adding the woodblock sound in the exact same place as the Black Spade track? That’s kind of impossible fam.
It’s a number of folks that get props out here these days that are obvious jackers, but no one will say anything. Oh well, the truth will always come to light.
Haha, FS is like the indie TMZ.
I can vouch that Black Spade did that beat because I had that joint for like a couple of years. Everybody knows I know Spade’s production style and that is HIS all over it, just off of style alone. Charles, I don’t know you but you can make up a pro tools session, that is easy. But the time, energy, and spirit that Black Spade put into that beat is his. ALL HIS. I know this for a fact. Just put yourself in his shoes and see how it feel to claim something that you created and someone else takes credit something that you’ve worked extremely hard on, with the exception of work for hire. Black Spade is not the liar and I am not saying this because that is fam, I am saying this because that is his production, his style. That is what he do. God Bless you, kid. One day it’ll all make sense.
All Charles or Black Spade should have to do to prove they made nearly identical beat is make a 30 second youtube video showing us their beat file and the different tracks and what not. If Charles doesn’t make some sort of video, i’ll have to believe Kenny/Black Spade…
as soon as there is a little drama everybody’s got something to say. suddenly there are like 10 times more comments than usually
damn sUzi,
“indie TMZ”??
can i at least be the underground The Smoking Gun?! LOL!!
this isn’t some gossip & crotch shot shit, ya know? haha
shadow smidge,
i hear you, man
its good to see everyone else has Black Spade’s back too
but its also a lil disheartening to some people being so much quicker to comment on some drama/hate shit,
than they would about supporting all the other shit i post
but thats human nature, i guess
Now this is ‘what’s BEEF’.
Dude clearly made a song over Spade’s beat.
Now it’s time for him to fess up AND/OR get beat up in retatliation. I think that would be AWESOME for hiphop and a major blow to these soft @ss ‘redemption rap’ newbies.
Also, I haven’t heard any of Charles’ records, but I suppose we should all Ghostface his stuff and just rap all over his voice and tracks like fugget!
Who’s coming with me?!
….ya know when i read this part “I have the beat file/folder to prove it, as well as the ProTools session. I have no reason to lie, as well as be on this site, so that’s how you know how serious I take such accusations” it kinda made me feel like this guy… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3-yYnXm72A
Spade has yet another fan!
P.S.
I have EVERY REASON to be on this site!
yo this is black spade’s younger brother i’m on his album track 10 “good crazy” just did a show with him in st.louis, my big brother is way more diplomatic than me i would’ve broke his nose charles should be damn glad i wasn’t in austin or shit would’ve been busted not trying to be a online gangster like mr.hamilton has tried to be in the past but basicly it’s on now and theres nothing he can do to stop it..
that’s some straight up hoe shit bruh. the crazy part is that Black is one of the most liberal cats i know as far as using his material. he just wants his credit and recognition. dude is lucky that he didnt get snuffed for lyin to his face, cuz even tho Black can hold a note, the nigga is STRAIGHT outta the hood. real recognize real tho.
STL STAND UP.
LOL
This is wack, yo…
First of all Charles is a beats, he can rap, sing, and produce/Play instruments all his projects have been incredible. I feel sorry for anyone that has not heard all of hiss projects. Well Isnt this akward is a classic like many of the other projects ie: My Brain Is Alive & “Its Charles Hamilton” and countless others. Black Spade is dope To Serve With Love was great so i does not surprise me that both sampled a song and had their own spin only to sound alike, it happens, any producer should know that, Charles is a genius musician as well as Black Spade, and good minds think alike!!!!!!!
charles how the hell do you have his vocals on there singing background if you simply sampled the same part?
even if you made the beat first then your in bigger violation becuz your clearly stealing the mans vocals..thats not you singing in the background dumb ass nigga,my nigga van is right fuck all that phone action everytime i read this i get more pissed off at that shit,nigga worry bout rhymefest call him up get him off of you, don’t call nobody over here realtalk..
JUSTIN HERSCHEL
Again, show me a proven case of two producers making an identical beat “on accident”
you just made a claim that I do not believe is true at all, I have NEVER heard two people make the same beat “on accident”
Like I said, the one thing you NEVER hear when two producers use the same samples is the SAME DRUMS, SAME DRUM PATTERNS, SAME DRUM LAYERING, SAME DRUM TEXTURES, ETC…
Any producer worth his salt knows what the deal is with chopping up Drums, they always come out different, no two drums sound alike when you chop them up.
So yeah “It Happens, Any Producer Should Know THat”
Ummm… IT DOESNT HAPPEN, Any Producer should know THAT
and I say “on accident” because a really good producer CAN mimic a beat DOWN TO THE DRUMS, but that would have top BE THEIR INTENT
I don’t even know anything about anything but beats and rap music, that is my life passion and its something I have been immersed in forever.
Trust.
DJ CUZZZIN B
FOR REAL!
Money is one thing, all Producers want money.
But the one thing all producers NEED, and will FIGHT FOR, is CREDIT.
No producer can handle making a beat and being uncredited for it when somebody puts it out there in a major way.
SPEAKING OF DILLA, Thats what Janet Jackson, and 2pac did to HIM! (well not Pac but his Producers).
When you make a dope beat, all you want really is for as many people as possible to hear it. So the worst thing is for EVERYBODY to hear it, but for NOBODY to know it was you who made it.
Wack.
listen to Black Spade approved beats here: http://tinyurl.com/dy2ccm Sorry couldn’t resist Rockwell Knuckles “The Glow”. I was w/Spade in Austin he immediately knew that was his track when he heard it. ESPECIALLY Spade’s VOICE. He should just pay Spade quietly and back out.
Bob’s really dropping knowledge and making too much sense right now
Thanks for that
And let’s not forget Soopafly jacking Dilla’s “Get Dis Money” beat and playin over it for that wack ass LeToya song on the Wash soundtrack
shadow smidge, keeny fresh
the reactions are not because of “beef” or “drama”
Charles essentially is asserting that we were all “BORN YESTERDAY”
When people lie to people because they thnk they are too stupid to know any better, its insulting.
That’s why I’m here, I felt insulted as a reader of his comment that he would think I could not seee through his obvious bullshit.
Oh believe me, I definitely understand why people are passionate about this
I obviously feel strongly about it too
I’m just saying im EQUALLY as passionate about shit i DO like too
But I definitely wasn’t talking about you with that one, Bob
Like I said above, you’re making a lotta sense in here
Come on Charles……..I mean it’s painfully obvious what happened here. Has Rick Ross taught you nothing?
Just to bring you both sides, here’s Charles’ response on his blog a minute ago:
“As far as me “jacking” someone’s beat, I have the ProTools/Fruity Loops file to prove I made the beat. Spoke to the “blogger” yesterday, and it’s the last time I address any situation with a blogger. If you don’t like me, cool. Don’t talk about me. There’s nothing to “pull my skirt up” about, and the old me woulda snapped yesterday. Nah. It’s quiet.
I am loyal to such a small number of people that they don’t even look at it as me being loyal to them. And yes, n1ggas got cut off, right in front of they faces. I’m doing me. On some “call me wack” type sh1t. New fans, welcome. Plenty of sh1t to dive into on this blog. Old fans know what it is, are either hyped right now or semi-concerned. Don’t be, y’all. Y’all know I’m the most publicly moody musician ever.
I’m not looking for a fight, beef, or any kind of altercation. I’m ignoring the attention sluts and lowering my eyelids (with red pupils) at the older heads who screwed things up being greedy. I think the fans that hate the mainstream take their hatred out on me, because I’m “a part” of the mainstream. I respect it, but when the change that everyone wants, comes, I don’t want any out-of-the-blue “supporters” talkin about they were always there. I’m accepting that people do come into your life for a season/reason/whatever, but sometimes, people just either need to hurry the f*ck up or get the f*ck out.
Word.
On some other sh1t, will all the members of TheSonicSquad holla at me? Not on some bumrush sh1t, but y’all already know. N1ggas is really blowin mine right now.
Blowin mine = getting on my nerves (derives from the phrase “blowing my high”, and given a disrespectful context to bring the point home)
Whatever. Isn’t today Sunday? Oh okay…
~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep***”
(seperate post)
“I see what it is, FRESHselects… so f*ck it. Let him think he made the beat and I jacked it. God/Satan sees all. And I’m leaving it at that.
Gone.
For now…”
link:
http://charleshamilton.blogspot.com/2009/03/dead-zone.html
Yo… This beat was jacked… blatantly… It’s the same beat from top to bottom. Only difference is some minor additions on CH’s track. Give Spade his credit and stop acting like everybody in here is stupid. That’s some punk shit.
Sorry Kenny, I guess if shyt’s dope on your site and there’s not much to say to add to the facts, then you get less comments.
In a court of law Spade, all you need to do is line both instrumental tracks up and examine the wavelengths. I’m almost certain they’d be identical since clearly, to the ear, they are the same tracks.
Nice @ss beat
peace…you stole the beat, you stole the beat. just face it. LOL@”God/Satan sees all” did they see you take that beat too?!
“ill do it, i-i-i’ll do it. i like jacking beats, cause im a cr-cr-cr-crate, digger ooooo shit!!” (c) Roy Lee
chill…
LMAO at Charles saying he’s part of the Mainstream…..Just because a couple blogs post about you and you been on the front of some frontin’ ass magazines does not make you mainstream…..get the f*** out of here.
FIRST THINGS FIRST, THE BEAT IS FUCKING GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!! BOTH VERSIONS!!!!!! THE DUDE CANT SING TO SAVE HIS FUCKING LIFE!! GARBAGE ASS INTERNET GANGSTER SHIT>.. OOH OOH THIS DUDE IS WACK… OOH OOH HE STOLE THE BEAT OMFG DEAD THIS SHIT NOW.
Wow. Ho nigga for real
umm yea…I like how Hamilton keeps over looking the fact that Spades voice is literally on the track. Thats literally like some audio DNA onna track. All he did was substitute that rim shot/snap layer from Spades beat and put a snare and some congas. Yea he might have remade the beat but he literally sampled him. Show some respect and give Spade some recognition.
Hamiliton – GUILTY
*slams gavel*
Yo. I’m riding for Black Spade on this one. Charles Hamilton, if you are reading this, I don’t really know you like that, but from listening to the joints, its CLEAR that the beat was jacked. All I DO know about you is that you did a mixtape rhyming over all DILLA beats and I’m from Michigan, VERY deep in the Hiphop/Music/Detroit scene and I know first hand niggas don’t like you in the D, so either you show cats the pro tools sessions so they can hear that you actually did the beat or please show Black Spade love for the beat that HE made.
God Bless.
14KT
Funny thing is
I never heard of spade before
I for one love the beat, and will be checking for spadebin the future
So Hamilton is actually inadvertently giving spade a ton of positive exposure with his career suicide
It’s not all bad
It doesn’t matter bout that Pro Tools session. He doesn’t have it. He probably getting ready to make a duplicate of that beat now so he can show that he so-called made that beat. Like I said, I had that beat over the past 2 or 3 years delivered by Black Spade himself and peoples in the STL is not havin’ it.
i am ashamed!!!
no matter what charles says .. it doesnt add up !!!
he need to show some respect! and apologise and then move forward…….
no self respecting beatmaker can ctreate an excuse for the same vocals being on both tracks.. charles you been made!!!..
Everything is heltah skeltah! LOL
CH is playing hisself talking about FL Studio sessions and shit. Jus admit that your a beat jaker!
Just wanted to say, I was here, even if I was late.
Black Spades voice is on the hook of the Charles Hamilton record,thats him singing “Shining”..I repeat once again for those of you that just are not getting it..this isn’t about two producers using the same sample to make a beat ..he blatantly stole this and the biggest proof above everything else is the fact that Black Spade’s recorded vocals are all over the hook on the Charles Hamilton record, this nigga know what it is, man fuck all that protool session shit, Black Spade is singing on the hook bitch nigga ..you took it off myspace now I wonder how many other cats have you done like this,
I don’t see why hes trying to turn it into some “they are just haters” shit on his own blog. Fam, his VOICE is on the beat. Someone should make a video showing how Charlie got it to sound the way it did. You can’t argue with the niggas VOICE being on the beat. Listen to Bob, he’s droppin’ knowledge up there. Peace.
Lil nigga is lying. Straight up & down. Funny how ppl who get caught in a lie start squirmin like a muh fuka to get out, by ramblin about nuthin… ha. Black should swung & gave ur eye a seal of approval. Nigga shit. Yup! Sometimes that’s the only way they learn. He’s just lucky this time… u don’t do that.
that dilla tape was classic Charles Flipped those songs in honor of Dilla and gave the songs new life, fuck all u haters that talk shit on Charles, dude is a genius, listen to Re-Anna dude is a monster, and Black Spade is dope, stop all this hate talk, and chill the fuck out music is music if Charles says he can proove its original give him a chance at least, and BOB fuck u one word (Hater)
i never, EVER leave hating ass comments on blogs like this… but fuck it, i’m troximus maximus.
i honestly wish i could slap the shit out of charles hamilton… he was cool for like the first few seconds of his existence. ever since the deal with interscope he became extremely annoying… and this puts the nail in the coffin. just give up sonic. your 15 minutes are up.
on a side note… that frankie beverly sample is cuh-razy.
http://twitpic.com/2l46n – Sorry, but I couldn’t resist. The wav’s of the two songs are almost identical, the 2nd one is a bit more full …
the 2nd one’s a bit more full because of the vocals
Black Spade got some heat.
*rather bump the instrumental
Wow… walked away for a few hours and came back to like 15 new comments. This shit has officially taken on a life of its own.
Shout to Moonsatellite comin thru with PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE.
**WHY THE FUCK IS CHARLES HAMILTON STILL AVOIDING THE FACT SPADE HAS HIS VOICE ON IT**
Charlie, if you are reading this, which I know you will be –once and for all… your fans, the public, and people in the industry should all have the right to know THE TRUTH.
I dont give a hot fuck if “god sees all”, hiding behind a statement. like thats suppose to satisfy us and leave this alone.
I’ll put this clear as day.
Answer these 3 questions:
1. HOW did you make the beat if Spade’s voice is all over it?
2. Where is the tracked out protools files? Show us.
3. Explain why your beat has the same drum patterns, chops, and arrangement as Black Spade’s
We’ve been asking these same questions in different ways and here they are, plain as day. I made it easy for you. Now don’t try to politick your away around these questions with ‘god knows’ and shit.
Man up and answer.
and justine stop cockriding your pink-wearing boy idol.
he’s obviously not a “genius” if the guy just stole someone else’s beat.
i need for you to light a candle in your C. hamilton shrine for him — cause he’s done.
if you think about it, he’s basically gotten off by jacking other peoples shit (no homo) and rapping over it.
dilla would be ashamed of this dumb herb.
Damn Charles…..
smh.
As mark asked; “Answer these 3 questions:
1. HOW did you make the beat if Spade’s voice is all over it?
2. Where is the tracked out protools files? Show us.
3. Explain why your beat has the same drum patterns, chops, and arrangement as Black Spade’s”.
How can Charles even have the audacity to deny it? He’s pulling a Rawse. Shake my head at this nigga.
P.S. Black Spade > Charles Hamilton. All day, everyday.
I wanted to comment but everything I gotta say has already been said. Everyone but Charles and Justin (who is a sad, sad stan) knows what it is. Wait. Everyone but Justin knows what it is. Charles obviously knows, he’s just pertendin.
Peace to the entire STL massive over here.
Did this dumb nigga learn NOTHING from the saga of Officer William Roberts?
*smh*
things are to be proven to all not just only from its sound. cos music is bigger than what we are hearing everyday. the serious music lovers, knowing the real value inside of the music will definitely see the clear difference here, what to appreciate or not.
biter will get bitten!
i believed it anyway, but the final nail in the coffin was moonsatellite’s photographic proof. wow. just… wow. i don’t really quite understand why charles hamilton wouldn’t just speak up and say “yeah, i swiped this off someone’s myspace page,” and keep it moving.
especially when it can easily be proven that even if he made it in protools that it’s the SAME. EXACT. BEAT as black spade’s.
this is some wild shit.
Black Spade is family and its gonna be his word over Chucky Ham… all you had to do Charles was say,” Yeah Spade, you inspired that beat.” Now, you gotta get vouchers and fight for your word. Silence is golden fam. You know the streets was gonna start talking about this… you know a phone call could come out the blue and kill ya mood… you know when you got suicidal tendencies, that means you are trying to run from a problem you scared to solve… don’t run from this one please Chuck…don’t let it get to you… remember the truth will make you free. It all comes out in the wash…derrty!!
Wow. Look at all this… good shit Kenny.
Much props for your initial aproach with the whole situation.
I was here.
give up chuck! you know your wrong! you stole it you stole it….stole it
I’ve been following this on Twitter all day. My boy Dart Adams put me on to this. I was gonna stay out of it, but I started thinking.
See, Chuck, you’re a little too young to remember this, but even before the Officer Ricky thing, we had another “rap” (and I use that term loosely) artist pull the same crap. No more will I call you Chuck. From henceforth, your name shall be Vanilla Ice.
See, Rob pulled that SAME shit in 1990. “See, Queen’s went ‘Dun dun dun da-da dun dun. Dun dun dun da-da dun dun. MINES went ‘Dun dun dun da-da dun dun DA dun dun dun da-da dun dun.’ It’s two completely different songs!”
And now, you think it’s cool to be Rob Van Winkle. Black Spade OBVIOUSLY did this beat, and I’m not even going into vocals, because that just… *sigh*
Vanilla, you lost. Man up, take the L, maybe Spade will give you a throwaway beat or two.
Phonte!? For real? Everyones weighing in.
look, it don’t take an incident of bitin to know Hamilton is wack.
why even bother? those hamilton fans know nothing about music… we have like tons of beatmakers commenting on this shit right here and it is obvious to anybody that mister hamilton stole that beat. there was never the reason to compare the wave-files… it was just too damn obvious. and NO mr. herschel there is no possibility of two producers doing the same beat especially when we have Black Spade in it who is a passionated no quantize artist. groove is like a fucking fingerprint. besides that we have his voice on both files.
what it comes down to is that mister hamilton “sampled” spade… that’s what those young cats do. perhaps this so-called genius doesn’t even get the difference between beatjacking and sampling. he added some percussive elements and there you go… he “made” that beat… :D
Fuck charles gaymilton. That nigga is way too cocky and ain’t nice at all. I anit gonna front, when I first heard gaymiltons version of shinnin I said, fuck that beat is ill but fuck the lyrics. I hope that nigga gaymilton gets punched straight in his soup coolers for real. And furthermore, if It had have been me in austin, chances are I would have been faded, biligerent, and he would have got knocked out for sure.
oh yah and one more thing. black spade, yer sound and talent is superb and ain’t takin nothin away from that. I know artist be excited to put musik up on myspace but let’s face it, there is all kinda track snatching software out there, I used to have one so it ain’t nothin to pirate musik off a niggas page. So if you don’t have the joint copy written, forget it, don’t post it.
It is Crazy over here today!
Yeah, I just heard about this on FB. My local artist Black Spade has been ripped by some guy, I’ve never heard of. I do know Spade’s vocals and his style. Got a couple of his beats myself. You jacked that shit from Spade, just give Spade his credit!!
Man Charlie you just need to own to it, its no getting around it, you caught, best thing to do is at least be a man about it. You can’t come in as a youngblood and think you gone overtake some stuff on some napoleonic type stuff. It just don’t work that way, man up.
Yea Im one of the first people to touch and hear black spade beats cause I basickly back them up and give out to real rap artist like Rockwell Knuckles Tef Poe Gotta Be Karim and a bunch more I have thousands of black spade beats and know his sound all that good shit. We know you lieing b and you work it out or not your bitch ass ain’t welcome In the lou On my mama b. Lucky I we wasn’t in Texas flat out. Shout out young Nate cause he dope you wack son. I just fuckin hate you your soul fareal whats fucked up is i hiped allot niggas down here to cause i like the charlie brown joint ball game.
@ E-Brock
Who were the dudes that “produced” that track for Jennifer Lopez, the one that went Top 40 over a CLASSIC BEATNUTS BEAT?
That’s the company Charles Hamilton is in. R and B singers who go Top 40 over Mobb Deep “Quiet Storm”.
And George Bush for treating as all like we are stupid.
@justinherschel
(Justin I love you bro you will one day mature into a great human being who has refined himself through trial and error and countless mistakes and what not.
assuming you learn from them)
@BLACK SPADE
BLACK SPADE I’VE HAD SHINING STUCK IN MY HEAD ALL DAY FAM!! THE BEAT IS NIIIICE!
——————————————–
Comparing Charles Hamilton to Vanilla Ice is unfair, to Vanilla Ice. He is way better than that.
Oh and to answer my J-Lo question…
THE TRACKMASTERS
What is SO wack about the J-Lo Beatnuts Scandal, is that on Wikipedia they claim that it was not a jack at all, see for yourself…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_from_the_Block
this is what happens if we don’t all fight biters like The Trackmasters/J-Lo and Charles Hamilton tooth and nail.
Let’s change history people.
The media still claims that the beat on “Jenny On The Block” is different from the beat on “Watch Out Now”.
I for one believe that this was a fucked up move on behalf of the Trackmasters, who stole music from The Beatnuts and had J-Lo sing over it.
See for yourself, what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2JgUvd4l30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4UtSvUGJyc
The fact is J-Lo got a way with it because her audience knows nothing of The Beatnuts work.
The economy is at a low, people are losing their jobs,human traffic, murder and etc… yet you all are being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. Wow.
here go a muhfucka wanna get political and talk about bigger issues like hunger and shit.
like we cant focus on multiple things at once. FOH simple muhfucka.
incredible how youve noticed how large the world is and its complex and surreal problems… why dont you set an example for us and chain yourself to a tree. then we’ll have some other shit to talk about.
for now, we dont need to reminded deep in the shitter we are economically. save that for some depressing talk with your drunk father.
“Justa
Posted March 29, 2009 at 9:36 pm / Permalink
The economy is at a low, people are losing their jobs,human traffic, murder and etc… yet you all are being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. Wow.”
and you are typing up a comment about people being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. double wow.
“Justa
Posted March 29, 2009 at 9:36 pm / Permalink
The economy is at a low, people are losing their jobs,human traffic, murder and etc… yet you all are being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. Wow.”
Trackstar the DJ
POSTED MARCH 29, 2009 AT 9:50 PM / PERMALINK
*and you are typing up a comment about people being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. double wow.
and then you are typing up a comment about a comment about people being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. triple wow.
yeah…You stole it doggie.
more from Charles… hes still sticking to his story and not answering any of the questions from before:
“Once and for all…
Shouts to Barbara from St. Louis. Spoke to her on the phone, said my side of the story. Apparently everyone out there is under the impression I stole the beat from homie…
Well…
The n1gga didn’t even know what KEY the song was in.
NOR did he know the original sample.
And I spoke to him LIVE, on the phone. Had MORE THAN ONE PERSON hear his version of the track.
HERE ARE THE FACTS:
My song, “Shinin” was recorded November 18th 2006. At the end of the song I say, “Yung Nate. Nigga your birthday coming up. You ain’t that young.”
Nate’s birthday was November 23rd.
He graduated FDA in 2006. And still came back to the studio. Just like me.
But Yung Nate NOR “Black Spade” is Charles Hamilton.
“Black Spade” said he put his version of the song on MySpace in 2007.
I just showed y’all dates, and I have witnesses.
ON TOP of having beat files.
E-Rich, on some G sh1t, I probably should post the Fruity Loops file. And the ProTools session. And let the world see how “G” I am. But that’s giving this no name n1gga WAY too much attention.
And even realer than that, if I jacked your beat, and PERFORMED IT IN FRONT OF YOU, I should be blogging about my bruises, right?
F*ck outta here.
I spoke to “Kenny Fresh” yesterday on the phone, and considering he “exposed” me, he sure as hell was humble. No, didn’t video the convo, but whatever. Didn’t need to. Because I don’t have a need to lie.
The original sample, not in its entirety.
Get off my d1ck.
Hol up.
Get off my dick.
I don’t call fans “fans” no more. I already told y’all what I call y’all (track 3 on “It’s Charles Hamilton”). I’m already up here, looking at the stars. Y’all down there, looking at the stars. So we’re both (you and me, dear reader) starchasers. Except/accept (that) I do it on a different level.
We’re all the same, I’m just Charles Hamilton.
End of entry.
Next blog entry should be some positivity.
And as far as the EP with Asher, he’s on the move right now working his album, I’m slowly and meticulously calculating my next set of moves.
And that’s saying WAY too little to even give you guys a hint as to what’s next.
Big news about Demevolist coming soon…
~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep***”
“bill
Posted March 29, 2009 at 10:13 pm / Permalink
and then you are typing up a comment about a comment about people being angry about a beat that no one is making money on. triple wow.”
nice try but i wasn’t complaining about ppl wasting their time on any particular subject. douche.
man i remember when i was 20. i thought i had lying down to a science. thought i could talk my way out of anything….and i usually did. usually.
The funny part?
I didn’t make not a dime off The Pink Lavalamp.
It was a free release.
So who got jerked?
Him for having a “similar” beat, or me for paying attention to any of this?
Answer:
Neither.
All of the above “Charles is a (insert insult here)” commenters have done nothing bring attention to the both of us, so at the end of the day…
Thank you.
:-)
~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep***
No one asked for you a dime either – just some credit.
You still haven’t cleared up anything about the beat, no one asked you about dates.
For everyone else, here’s the response I posted to Charles’ last blog on his blog:
That being your final statement it doesn’t clear up much of anything.
Okay, here is a simple point-by-point write-out of why I believe you took Black Spade’s beat, and also what you can do to me prove wrong.
1. Black Spade made his beat using the K2600 synth made by Kurtzwiel. He told you this on the phone and you hung up. Please show how you got K2600 sounds out of Fruity Loops and a Motif.
2. Black Spade’s VOICE is in your song. You said its a filter – please show you using said filter to make the loop sound that way, or how you “sang it yourself”
4. Explain this picture http://twitpic.com/2l46n showing the two songs side by side with identical wave patterns, tempos, etc. – yours is just fuller/louder, mostly because of the vocals.
And if what you’re saying IS true… whats your theory about how all this came about then?
- Black Spade heard your beat at SXSW and then decided to recreate it to PERFECTION and claim it was up on MySpace in 2007 just to get some CREDIT and not even ask for $$$??
- Or you really think this is just a coincidence that you guys made IDENTICAL beats that not only looped the same part of the song but also re-played the same parts with the same sounds and used the same drum sounds THAT WEREN’T IN THE ORIGINAL?
Cmon – stop dodging the topic at hand and answer those questions and this is all over.
And post the files already, you keep saying you will but have yet to show and prove.
March 30, 2009 2:30 AM
so from his comments… since he’s trying to prove he had his done before spade even posted it on myspace, that means that black spade must have beat jacked hamilton (no homo).
so hamilton’s voice is the one over the sample… ?
cause there is that vocal layer that is filtered over the original sample. its somebody’s fuckin voice. he’s still dodging that.
also, who give a fuck what key it’s in. lmao. they’re fuckin chops brosiff. if spade put that shit up 2 years ago, how is one supposed to remember that type of shit.
hamilton = scamilton
show the fucking beat files, b. hes hiding behind another statement — talking about how he’s bigger than this problem and doesnt have to face some “blogger”.
actions speak louder than words. so far — all he’s got are words. no proof. just talk.
not gangsta.
Wow. Some dudes just take a plea deal when the DA hit em with the facts. This character is gonna deny till he die. He’s been accused, arrested, prosecuted, PROVEN guilty by a jury of his peers, sentenced and STILL claiming innocence. A real man woulda just admitted his transgressions and moved on, but this cat……
I forgot to mention that it’s truly unfortunate that his shenanigans are what brought Kenny so much traffic today. There is so much good content here and his bandwidth is wasted on such a talentless rapper.
If this fiasco benefits Black Spade and Freshselects.net through increased exposure, then the good guys are winning and this whole thing is a plus.
I agree and hope that definitely is the case.
Another dodge:
CH:
“I saw my brother Manic today (Manic the Hedgehog… told you this sh1t is real). You know what he told me?
“Superstardom is made so they can tear you down. You not a superstar n1gga. You Super Charles.”
Dude. I’m not even on superstar status (publicly at least) and I got cats talkin about I stole they work. I guess I’m tight cuz it’s something off The Pink Lavalamp, and I refuse to let a n1gga tell me ANYTHING about that project. Especially since I almost didn’t make it through recording it. ESPECIALLY since I didn’t intend on it being an album. Because I didn’t think I’d make it from one day to the next. So I guess yeah, that’s a sensitive spot.
But I ain’t no p*ssy, and I will never be.
No matter how much I’m pestered about it, I look at the “controversy” around “Shinin” as a blessing in disguise. Now, I don’t look at it as a suicide letter, but as someone’s attempt to demean what the song means to me. Which is great, because I get really sad when I hear it.
I don’t even care anymore. For real. I’m not defending myself. You either know or you don’t. And if you know, you wouldn’t bring no dumb shit to me.
I know my sister (Sonia) was praying for me today. Sh1t did get kinda thick in the midst of things, but f*ck it. I’m good, sis.
Tomorrow, some bigger site is probably gonna “report” the “jacking”, but whatever. At this point, people should know to come to my blog to hear what I have to say. So, I’m gonna keep talking about what I want to talk about on my blog.
Like so…”
ME:
“There’s nothing easier to prove then the truth.
I even SHOWED YOU HOW to prove us all wrong in my comment to the last post.
Completely ignoring all of that is nothing less than a confession of guilt
And its already been re-posted: RapRadar.com, VIMBY, Soul Assassins, HypeTrak, The Smoking Section, etc.
This isn’t something thats just gonna get swept under the rug if you just stop addressing it”
Dude be talking EXTRA gangsta to a female on a phone…but he mad humble wont even look a nigga in the eye in person. Lets hear all this “get off my dick” talk in a niggas face brah…
I’m bout tired of talking about this, action people, action.
STL lets get at it.
-Majorz
I fux wit Sciryl.
Im a charles fan, and all the other charles fans just want you to post these files man before this shit spreads everywhere and gets outta hand. Kenny been showing respect by the way he addressin this shit too, so I gotta respect that.
GETTEM! CH is done…geez…i actually liked him. oh well.
Spade… please just put up a youtube or something dissecting the original files of this beat. This little dude has way too big of a ego, just son him already.
JACKIN BEATS …I HAD A BEAT I MADE FOR MY SONG IM EVERY WOMAN REMIX…BACK IN THE DAYZ..IT WAS KEYBOARD MONEY MIKE AND ME..WE MADE THIS BEAT …ROBIN GIVENS SISTER STEPHANIE WAS HELPING ME…SHE HAD MONEY TO PAY FOR STUDIO TIME. SHE TOOK THE BEAT TO MCA ..AND THEY GAVE MY IDEA TO WHITNEY HOUSTON …EVER SINCE THEY DID THAT TO ME..I NEVER WANTED TO RAP AGAIN ..I DID TV SHOWS IN STEAD . I OWN MY OWN MASTERS OF ALL MY FOOTAGE..AND THATS HOW I ROLE NOW…I COULD NEVER TRUST AGAIN …
Dude should just stop rappin all together. Sounding like a broke ass Lupe Fiasco. He should have never raped that tight ass beat like that by putting his voice on it.
I mean if you going to steal a beat… at least change that shit up to make it sound different, besides putting some wack ass lyrics on it and calling it yours.
Also, why deny that shit? Just say you stole the beat. If it was me.. “Yeah I got it from your myspace, I thought it was dope so I borrowed it”. I already know at this point I’m exposed so why deny it.. fucc’it.
You get more respect keeping it real rather than lie just to later be exposed. Then you look twice as wrong.
I’ll take “Keeping it real” for $500 Alex
Quick leave him alone he is suffering from depression! he might kill him self,I can’t help but feel that thats just some drama he made up to keep the retards that read his blog interested,the dobber clearly doesn’t know what real depression is. fucking lying thieving prick
Truth be told Black is a cool dude. Was with him at SXSW at that CH show. This dude has no reason to lie on his joints. CH track Jacked that whole situation. I dont respect liers. end of story. Producers need to stand up for their music. It happens to all of us. Keep rockin Spade!(NH)
Woooww…yall going kinda hard at someone yall claim to ha “no talent, no production skills and a girly blog” I mean if he is all that and less then y even bother…cause basically u saying his success will be short lived soooo y waste time on blogging about it? I dunno…it’s a lotta bashing going on here…a lotta ugly emotions…I guess tho…if this makes ur day go better enjoy
Love Britt
Wow.
That’s what’s poppin’ now?
Now that I think about it, the same thing has happened to me a few times. I wrote about one instance a while ago:
http://tinyurl.com/jackinforbeats
at the end of the day…
charles > black spade
who the fuck is black spade?
charles has 13 quality mixtapes out in like a year….
spade?????
its like everybody wants to go against him
CH made it first. The Binge vol.1 has a track from the pink lavalamp on it. CH has a pic of the cover for that mixtape on myspace and the first comment on that cover is from March 22, 2007 5:05 PM .
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=20311907&albumID=582887&imageID=6862137
Since that Mixtape came out after The Pink Lavalamp charles had to have made Shinin back in 06.
i just came to say black spade is dope as fuck!
FUCK YEAH!
Disregard everything I said… I suck dicks.
(FRESH edit: LOL @ this dude tryna post a reply as Charles when he already made a reply on the same IP address under #1 STUNNA. nice try, dummy)
CharlesHamilton is the real deal……listen to his FREE mixtapea and you’ll clearly see. All u haters are wasting your time. Dude’s got next any way you look at it.
Charles Hamilton= Lupe+ kanye with a twist of Jay Z
In the end though he’s got his own style and only time will prove me right.
1 luv Charles!
so Young Jeezy – don’t do it
producer jacked the beat from
Freeway – baby don’t do it
song from “Free At Last” LP
..nah,
this is called : THE SAMPLE !!
man, y’all on his ass and shit (no homo)
Link to the Copyright office.
http://www.copyright.gov/
ATTN all you future and present producers of beats… COPYRIGHT YOUR SHIT and when someone jacks it CASH THE FUCK IN IN COURT.
Stop your whinin… all of ya. Sue the guy and get paid. What so complicated?
Let the record (permalink) reflect that I was here. That is all.
lol @13 quality mixtapes. The fool hasn’t made one quality song yet.
this is hoe shit, he should be happy Black Spade aint knock his head off his shoulders.
Cool, glad to see we have some of the other side finally coming through in here so its not ALL one-sided
For those CH fans just joining us – hello.
Welcome to what a real music blog looks like. :)
Now lets see if I can address you all in one fall swoop….
126. Britt Britt:
Unfortunately, a lack of talent doesn’t mean an artist won’t be successful – especially in this new age of reckless internet hype being given away waaay too easily without having to earn it.
This is what this is all about in my eyes.
129. ja.:
Just because YOU havent heard of Black Spade don’t assume that no one has
I’ve personally been checking for dude since the fall of 2005 and have been posting his music on my blog since I first started it
And as 100+ other comments before me have shown, I’m not alone in thinking he’s dope.
But yo… are you serious… Charles really has 13 mixtapes out from one year????
I’m sorry thats beyond ridiculous
I wouldn’t wanna hear more than 4 or 5 mixtapes in a year TOPS from my all time favorite artists.. and even THATs pushing it
Thats one of my problems with Charles – his oversaturation of the blog scene is setting a horrible standard
In my opinion, releasing THAT much music just makes it all disposable – I mean, who can really listen to 13 mixtapes in one year from one artist? Let alone give some of those repeated listens
Meanwhile, Black Spade released a great, concise ALBUM in 2008 called To Serve With Love
Yes, an ALBUM not a mixtape – with all original beats that he did himself
That I cam still bump to this day and enjoy it like it just came out
I rather have 1 great album then 13 mediocre mixtapes from any artist any day
All comparisons aside and back & forth aside, you should check it out – you might even like it
130. KickRocksBruh
I’m confused as to what you think you’re proving with that one
For one – a mixtape containing ONE song from the same album as “Shinin” doesnt mean the whole rest of the album was already done at that point
Secondly, the COVER being posted has no correlation to that record being done either – especially when CH is the type of artist to list 10+ mixtapes he has coming out in the rest of the year, as he did today, I’m sure he pre-makes some album covers
And even if all that DOES prove “Shinin” was made in March – so what??
No one in here is talking about dates, all Black Spade said was he put that beat up in 2007 (so Jan, Feb and March 1st thru 21st and all open if u believe ur own logic)
I could give a shit less about the date the track was made, I’m talking hard evidence as far as sounds (i.e. Black Spade’s VOICE which Charles has yet to address)
133. styldynamite
ok cool… nothing really to argue with there.
to each their own
134. R:
uh… no. this is not that case at all.
i take it you didn’t either
A. read the whole post (understandable, it was long as hell)
B. listen past the intro to Charles’ song when the beat actually drops
this isn’t about samples, fam
i highly doubt these 2 were the only one to sample that Maze song… LOL
Damn…I was just talking to a homie about trying to get Rhymefest and Charles to peace shit up and make a more positive statement. Unfortunately, i don’t think that will be happening anytime soon.
I’m no expert on producing/beat making, none of that shit, but I do think they sound very similar. Not calling anyone a liar or fraud, just my thoughts…
Peace
Its funny when Charles Hamilton stans and meat hangers give their 2 cents on industry stuff that they clearly do not understand. I understand being a fan of some curly haired dude in pink and sonic tees(real cool…nope) but don’t be dumb and judge, there are three sides to a story: each side’s story and then the truth
Charles Hamilton is a punk.
That’s nutts. “brooklyn girl” was actually kinda nice, but as a beat maker myself who has been jacked, i can no longer support Chuck Ham
you went to SXSW and brought something unreal to what people try to escape???
tyler durden urself and shoot Urself in the mouth
dude, Charles fucked up. just don’t understand why he won’t admit he used the beat.
You know what really needs to happen here? A beat battle.
yo whats good itz ya boy lil supernigga 187 and im up in this bitch ta let yall niggas no that this nigga charles hamilton is a str8 up bitch but i aint even gonna lie this nigga black spade iz a bitch 2 4 not calling out this otha nigga on a big enuff level 4 real tho nigga need to take that sonic the hedgeog shit back the fuck 2 the kindagartin n shit nigga wohhhhhh jus let a nigga steel wunna my beatz id get on some ol high school shit n start punchin niggas in tha face just 4 livin
“Deep inside I’m lien” – Charles
HAHAHAA HE SAID IT HIMSELF. YO BLACK SPADE SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED THAT KIDS TEETH OUT.
…what the hell is all the fuss about?? The song is WACK any damn way.
Sonic = done and done.
yo I’m done typing -my brother isn’t has liar and doesn’t have a track record suggesting that he is, Charles Hamilton produced the track but Black Spades vocals are all over it?
you can supress the truth, bury it and try to keep it from coming out but you can’t deny the facts …besides that you should remain as peaceful as possible becuz the entire world knows your not brollic,matter of fact in the deepest corners of your heart you know your not hardbody (pause),thats the part that makes me sick about all of this the blatant denial of the obvious truth’s, and your wack ass attempts to type tough..
on some real shit fuck all this typing -tell your slut ass girlfriend to answer the phone next time my nigga calls..
http://www.zshare.net/download/579342094cffc2b5/
CH posted that on his blog
smh…. Only comment I got is before you address a rumor as “truth”, try to do your research first fam, because once the real truth comes out, you just make yourself look bad by spreading a “rumor” as the “truth”…
Not hating just being real, that is all i got to say
damn ppl made a whole freaking deal out of one song!!! i seen a bunch im telling u a bunch of unheard producers getting their beats jeacked man and im not taking charles or black spade’s side cuzfirst charles should have tried to come up with something fairly original just like the rest of the album which was really good but cmon he might or he did steal the beat but musicians need to move on when something comes up seriously theres unlimited possibilities to oher sounds one stolen beat isnt going to make a real musician quit besides charles didnt get anything from the named beat he made zero dollars like any of his previous mixtapes i heard both songs it is very similar but cmon all im saying its that one bump in the road isnt going to stop a producer so if he did then yeah thats unprofessional of charles and im sure he knows but there isnt a reason in the world to blow it up as a big deal like as if he had stolen an album of collected samples just give the issue a break and both the original maker and charles move on cause thats what profesional mature musicians do lol once again im not taking sides im just trying to make a point that just one song off A MIXTAPE is not enough to hang him or sumthin hope u ppl get my point just move up in life good luck to both of u and i hope u clear the air peace! much respect to both again not a big deal as ppl r making it! but yeah peace!!
Charles, show the files…
if it’s yours then show it… show it on youtube or whatever…
L
WOW! I was at the sxsw showcase where Charles performed Shinin, and I was even talking to Spade about the beat because he told me he did it. What I didn’t get was that C Hamilton jacked it from him. I even went as far as to put that joint on a mixtape because Spade is the homie and I support what he does. But now that I know he didn’t make that beat for Charles I regret supporting that song.
ok first of all I have been following this since yesterday I rarely comment on blogs so sorry about that Kenny F. I do be checkin the other stuff you put me on you can thank DJ Jamad for that.
My point of view im dissapointed I seriously would’ve have thought that he would have posted the session up by now, a youtube, or a couple of wav files or something. I would’nt call my self a fan but I am(maybe was) a supporter of CH I did’nt get all his mixtapes but he did shoot me at track without Vlad drops when I needed it. Which is rare so he’s not a completely arrogant bastard. Seriously for a new DJ like me thats rare for me to get from a artist. I was happy to see him on the cover of XXL a while back with Blu and B.O.B. and Asher Roth to me it was like ok maybe there is hope for the new generation.(sigh) Hell Im young (24) and that shit is no excuse to be ya own man, handle ya own, and show and prove which is what I do EVERY time I touch a turntable.
I actually remember hearing Spade’s version of Shinin’ so when I heard iton the pink lavalampa year later I didn’t think nothing of it. I like shinin’ by CH it was on repeat for a week last year.
So to find the beat is more than likely stolen is like damn… you fuck up you…Rhymefest murked you now this shit its hard trying to support somebody who keeps shooting themselves in the foot. I the type of person if you make a good record im gonna check ya out whether you are gay, like mario, sonic, or hate black people or pussy. A good record is a good record.period.
I can’t take up for someone I personally don’t know but what I can say I he is at the point of his career where he is like fuck the underground/fuck the fans and this is from the outside looking in…
Fuck it if you don’t care about ya self should anyone else…
With that said I need to holla at you K. Fresh I got some artists you may dig.
thats all…
SOUTH AFRICA BACKS BLACK SPADE!!!!
true story
Yo…maybe general fans don’t understand it, but anybody who understands the process of creating music (Producers, MCs, etc.) can clearly tell that THESE BEATS ARE IDENTICAL! And it goes beyond whether the record made money or not- this shit is about one man’s work being passed off as somebody else’s. You’d be pissed if your co-worker took credit for your hard work, right? Whether CH stole the beat or not, the beats are the same, and somebody needs to do some explaining as to how that happened.
Any chance of upholding any integrity and respect in the music community is slowing slipping away, Chuck. Save yourself, homie.
I’m a producer. This was completely jacked LOL. Come on are you serious? Why u gotta lie just give credit.
Smh @ Hamilton
man…this is some funny sh_t. all i got to say is check front and center on vladtv.com today…
yo charles hamilton, you insecure ass nigga….how bout you stop talking and put up…i like the nigga and he losing me as a fan right now cuz he acting like a bitch
@ Kenny: He still hasnt addressed the VOICE becuz hes lying thru his teeth & cant think of a good enough lie to cover that part..hell address it when he thinks of something..
The funniest thing is that he STILL hasnt provided the proof he speaks of (i.e. FL sessions, Pro tools etc..)
you know what we could all go right now?
DO THE STANKY LEGG
Really Charles? wow. I just started KINDA likin this dude. But I’m gaining reasons to dislike him everyday. No hate, but if Hamilton made that, I produced the Pink Lavalamp. Spade is my dude, I love his work, but that’s not why I’m on his side. I’m on his side, cause I have ears.
by the way, this is a fine blog you’ve got here Kenny. I’m a fan.
BLACK SPADE IS A REAL REAL REAL SHIIIIIIIIIT!!!
NOBODY KNOW THAT FULL
CHARLES HAMILTON IS THE BEST AND ALL OF YOU SUCK HIS DICK! HAHAHAHA
That beats waaaay too similar to not have been jacked. Major label artists dont care though. As long as they stay “close to the stars” like Chucky says.
thought y’all should see this..
http://www.zshare.net/download/579342094cffc2b5/
its the pro tools sessian of Shinin y’all could see for urself if CH is lyin or not…
Soooooo, niggas is quiet after Charles posts the Pro Tools session? What happened?
Feel free to remix the song “Shinin”, as the ProTools session is riiiiiiight….
http://www.zshare.net/download/579342094cffc2b5/
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Here.
And you can rap to the beat. You know, since I DIDN’T make it. December 15th 2006 (I’m sorry I was a MONTH off…).
Going on with my day…
~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep***
1:27 PM
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yo charles so what u stole a beat, its not like thats the worst thing u ever did, i mean your lyrics absolutely suck so thisdoesnt even affect the way we think of you, you were garbage before u stole the beat and your garbage after you rap over that stolen beat, charles im not a hater at all, if u were nice i would say you were nice but honestly youre wack, no hard feelings i dont even know u
Is this kid serious? As a big Black Spade fan, that shit is absolutely disgusting.
There are certain codes that need to be followed, and that shit crosses the threshold of biting.
It’s too bad this kid Charles Hamilton isn’t nice, otherwise people could just plaster their name on “Brooklyn Girls.” That shit sucks, though.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
GO GO GADGET FOH!!!!!
I haven’t downloaded it yet, but is this not the session? He posted it on his blog, and someone else has posted it here. It is a pretty big file.
http://www.zshare.net/download/579342094cffc2b5/
This lil lightweight dude. Look
1.)Stop makin wack music and makin wack moves
2.) STOP with the Sonic. Your killing everything that SEGA and Sonic Team has done to make him such a great character.You should have chose Princess Peach so we’d have a better idea.
3.) Stop wearing pink you lil infant,right now. Turn that off… the hells wrong with you boy. Go upstairs and go to bed.
He posted the files on his blog…where you haters at now?…that’s what I thought…fuck outta here…C.H.A.R. spittin’ like a AR…Charles is realer than anyone out…He’s shinin’…and you wack pussies can’t handle the glare
Now he knows he stole/recreated the track and kept Black Spades voice in it. This is really a bad look, yo. I can’t even call you a genius thief. Thank you for proving that you stole Black Spade’s production.
I recently downloaded a couple CH tapes. Dude is an emerging talent 4 real. That said, a biter is a biter. Old skool keep it real.
Snuffitization.
Builds character.
Shrinks fat heads.
Keep it movin
Wutup people,
Apologies for the lack of updates the last couple of hours – I’ve been sleeping… literally. Forgive me…? LOL!
Yes, Charles finally came through on his word and posted the ProTools session
So this is all about to be over – we’ll be ending it within the next hour or so
Stay tuned.
Black spade said he came up with his in 2007?…if you look at the files charles posted on his blog, you can find the audio files and right click on them, go to properties, and it says…”Date Modified: 11/20/2006…..enough said…
I think you let your bias of not liking charles get the best of you. I’m not the biggest fan of his music but I know him personally and he’s a cool guy. As a blogger bashing without facts is lame.
ANYWAY, he proved himself:
http://www.ddotomen.com/?p=1324
modified dates can be changed with the right computer nerd. as well as traced back. my computer science prof told me he could tell if anyone changed the modified dates on their take home final (past the specified completion deadline). iono. i don’t really believe cat, given all everyone’s said about the specifics of replication. and on some basic ish…
all i can say is Justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that Charles put up the pro tools all u assholes saying this and that about Charles can eat a fat dick, Black Spade is sdope too but all these assholes who talked shit on Charles fuck u lol.
@Cory:
you can easily fake those dates… still downloading the zip. we’ll see.
Change file modified times is as easy as changing your computers system time and saving the file……
Something isn’t right here. This smells like funk to me. True heads will know what CH did, but sadly ain’t shit we can do about it.
This is all ignorant as hell… never heard of either of them….on top of that both songs are mediocre at best. NEXT! or at least give a better song…. You all are riding for NOTHING! ooooookaaay! Point taken… I need all the internet gangsters to calm down, and take a breath. WOOSAH! Now… when this is slated for a release then that’s for Mr. Spade and Mr. Charles to settle…. why does anyone else care… is this money going in YOUR pockets? Idk… Oh well…… NEEEEEEEEEEXT!!!
This shit is taking ages to download…
after all this I hope it is exactly what its supposed to be, and not no beat then vocals shit…
now what was so hard about that, could have saved alot of time…
your still wack tho, and this only proves that you bit the beat..
“There’s rules to this hip-hop shit
-DJ Premier, Moment Of Truth”
thought that was relevant and worth the copy n paste from above…
its okay, kiddies.
we got him – its all about to be over.
just waiting on the videos to be edited & uploaded.
patience.
and all the posts about time modification are dead on
why you think he stalled so long to release them?
and keep in mind that in reply #2 in these comments CH said himself that the song was recorded in 2007
Chuckie… My man… Did you really just release a PT session with the whole f@cking beat on a single stereo track to try to prove yourself innocent… Or did I snatch the wrong file… Homie!?!?…
im am just waiting til my beat footage get threw loading up and we will know soon .. i did a live tape footage of mine and hopefully everyone will get to see it
@johnny hahahahahhaa…didn’t load the file. but even my unknowing ass knows that is below novice…rather, something like utter stupidity.
to everyone saying that this isn’t worth talking about and those that don’t like the track or spade’s music…it’s bigger than that. principle. it’s about respect… about not letting people demean you by lying to your face and giving credit for hard work where due. can’t let people get away with tasteless shit like that. this is SO NOT petty.
egos need to be deflated. people need to know they can’t pull off bullshit.
along a similar vein…ask about kanye stealing MGMT’s music video concept and unfortunately getting away with it because of his stature. too many grimy ass folks taking advantage and on some uppity ass God-complex shit where they feel like they can do whatever they want. the people need to speak and make change where we can, homies.
this is getting quite interesting. ive done time modifications on trial software shit.
that’s some childs play.
he has the PT file, where’s the FL file? that’s what he used to make the beat right? i mean, id like to see how he achieved the SAME vocal layer as black spade did. that is what is in question here. i’ll let the identical chops and drums slide — but cot damn, what about that muhfuckas voice?
this shit dont add up. and lolz @ all his fans who don’t know shit about production cockriding. all your replies are irrelevant. go listen to his 13 “classic” mixtapes. lol n00bs.
I’ve been milling this around in my head all day, honestly because I know its a tough game we all try to play with this music $hit. Honestly its not hard to tell that this was a straight up Jack Move. I’m not feeling it because its 2009. A brother walked up to another with honesty and got disrespected with lies. I can’t condone it and I will never condone it. Not just because Spade is my homie but artistic theft is seriously wrong. That shit is all wrong. For some of us who do this music shit, its all we have. We aren’t rich most of us. We love the music. Your not supposed to be able to steal another persons ideas or creative inspiration. If this dude Hamilton says he takes it seriously then nigga take a bullet for it then, Biggie & Pac did. We all know you aint man enough for that so just settle for tellin the truth and being a man.
HAMILTONGATE
AYO COULD EVERY BODY CHILL WIT THE VOICE JUNK CUZ NO1 REALLY KNOWS WHOS BEAT WAS MADE FIRST. I mean they both naming dates but somebody is lying and we don’t know who so how we gon believe wat they say. Not to be takin sides or nuthin but Charles has proof of his dates from old blog posts around that time. And since there’s no real proof of spades date, he coulda remade the beat to get sum exposure and sang the part to get close to Charles’ version… And still Charles couldve stole the beat but ppl keep sayin dumb stuff that would be completely different if one small thing changed. So could every1 chill and let it play out cuz the truth should be out soon…very soon
More importantly… have you all peeped the FINALE and INVINCIBLE shit on the front page?
Both of them are sweeter on the mic than Sonic. (pause?)
For Dude to release a protools session with a 2 track and over 20 tracks of vocals as proof is insulting. As if we’re stupid. Forget dates, etc. Black Spade had the beat in question on his myspace. The one CH used is identical as is evident by the 2 track contained in the PT session. It doesnt take a sonic genius ( no CH pun intended) to hear that. I have no vested interest in this other than the truth. And that is that Charles Hamilton is a lier. forget beat jacker, clown, cornball, etc.. HE IS ABOVE ALL, A LIER.
AYO fans need to disregard the fact that they are fans and keep it 100 cuz all this hatin shit is pointless. especially when niggas say “i dont mean to hate but…..” then start hating lol
LOL anyone that knows the mere basics of reading a pro tools session can clearly see whats up. I’m glad this is all coming down to this. Charles coulda humbled himself and admitted from jump that he jacked the whole beat. He truly took for granted the fact that Spades VOICE is layered all up in the beat like that. Shame on you, Sonic. You exposed yourself. I’m a king of creating a ‘web of lies’, but I for one can tell you that you didnt weave a tight tapestry. Your arrogance forced you to rush your hand and sloppily discredit your self as an artist and as a man. Shame on you. This will only get worse from here on out. No respect.
“I can’t condone it and I will never condone it.”
Hey B-Money! Aren’t you the guy who ripped off a Madlib beat and sold it to Jay-Z?!
Nice beat, fam!
(just watched the video)
….and you’re done.
Dude the vid proves it man, jus own up and be a man about and give credit where credit is due. Good looking out with the comparisons Kenny. http://WWW.MADEMONARCHS.COM
@ Chuckie Hamilton – it’s a wrap b!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8tx35_black-spade-responds-to-charles-ham_music
Tuck your tail between your legs and go back to nowhere.
*basks in the ether*
everyone’s complaining about this, when basically he “sampled” the original track… put it into perspective…
how do you think the people of the songs you sample feel? now he handled his response of this situation horribly wrong but
CH’s song>spade’s song
it’s just unfortunate it came to this
This nigga Charles Hamilton look like a Dave Chappelle character.
Jokes and jokes and jokes and jokes.
Spaghetti… spaghetti… spaghetti…
Well, Black Truth, you’re right. I’ve never thought about how say, Curtis Mayfield would feel if I told him I created “the Makings of you”
..oh, you were talking about SAMPLING, not beatjacking, my bad…
we did a phone interview with Black Spade earlier today about this situation you can peep it here http://www.pardonmeduke.com/2009/03/30/interview-with-black-spade-about-shining-track/#more-6005
Props to Black Spade for the way he broke it down. Dude doesn’t come across as bitter at all.
Just a real dude that wants to clear everything up.
Also, I see you Spade with the 14kt and Buff1 shout outs!!!!! HAHA!
@ Black Truth: Its not even about the fact he stole the beat anymore, its more so how he handled being put on blast.
Dude is a clown to even think he could get away wit some shit like this..
*Fuck outta here! (as you(CH)keep saying)*
What a LAme, I knew you were a fraud! When all these cats were hoping on the band wagon, I knew you were just a fookin wanker!
“Charles Hamilton’ed”
LMAO..
Thats the new phrase from now on…
“how do you think the people of the songs you sample feel? now he handled his response of this situation horribly wrong but”
its not sampling. its sampling but swearing you didn’t sample. imagine Kanye telling Curtis Mayfield he played Touch the Sky himself. THAT’s what we’re talking about here.
All I have to say is this.
Detroit/Midwestern folks don’t play when it comes to knowing what is theirs especially when work gets involved.
BP – I salute you love!
-M
(wefancy)
Good job exposing that lying ass cat.
it’s very well possible he didn’t know it was his beat he was chopping up
to be honest no one really knows who is 100% right, we’re going by our ears
either way charles hamilton has serious talent (pink lavalamp fully shows that) it’s unfortunate that this situation has come to this, especially with all the petty shots & attacks taken at him on this “blog”
you stole the beat..are you havin fun? ©cousin lyte
Gaaaaawdddddamn, Chuck Chuck!!! That’s all I can say…
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OMG
CHARLES GAYMILTON HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY PWND UP AND DOWN.
PLEASE LEAVE HIP HOP CH.
NOW GIVE SPADE HIS RESPECT HE DESERVES AND SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THE FIRST PLACE! YOU METRO(PROBABLY HOMO) SEXUAL LOOKIN ASS MUH FUCKA!
FUCK OUTTA HEAAAA!
*HIGH FIVE* KENNY FRESH,BLACK SPADE AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT KNEW THE REAL DEAL.
Black Truth, did you see Spade’s video? you might wanna peep that. The vocal harmonies are undeniable.
but anyway. I myself am not a CH hater. I actually just found out about him like a week and a half ago. I like a couple of his tracks, but I think he’s overrated. that doesn’t equal hate.
it’s very likely that he got the beat from somebody without knowing who it was. the problem is about claiming authorship of somebody else’s work. He could have set it right a LONG time ago, but he went down a path that tarnished his credibility.
just to rub it in…..
CH could have simply said “track produced by Black Spade” and that would have been the end of the case…..but….he didnt…..
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
SHININ CAN’T YOU SEE SPADE SHININ WHOoOooOOOoAAOoOOOOOOOO!!!
OH MY DAMN!!! THAT VIDEO WAS GREAT!!!!!!!
Ethered. Fresh Selects style b/w of Black Spade and all the other cats putting up the evidence.
Hey CH fans, where the fuck are yall now?
SONNED.
ROFLMAO Imagine the look on Charles Hamilton’s face when he realized that the pro tools session he uploaded would contribute to his downfall. Even Phonte from Little Brother dissed him on Twitter, and Charles Hamilton tried sucking up to him on some ‘I loved the Listening! Lets just agree to disagree! :P ‘ type homo-ness. Phonte just shut him down like: ‘nah, nigga. That nigga voice all over the beat. You actin like Rick Ross right now.’
http://www.twitter.com/phontigallo
PWNED!! ROFLMAO
musical integrity speaks volumes…
LMAO
Charles snitched on himself. “Genius”.
Shouts to Black Spade.
Glad to see my man Black Spade gettin’ more light, even under fucked up circumstances. No Biting Allowed! Some folks gotta learn the hard way. The STL is in this muthafucka.
This is shameful… Black Spade has been making great music for a long time. JUST GIVE THE MAN THE RESPECT HE DESERVES!
The video settled everything.
Spade, keep making that original music!
Kenny, nice blog. I will continue to visit.
Charles, man up.
*looks both ways on the internet road*
Hey uh…you guys seen CH anywhere?
*tumble weed blows by*
Hmm..oh well..
are you guys grown men or little kids?
seriously i have to shake my head to the responses on here
and shine (no pun intended) under these kinds of circumstances really isn’t good. just ask that wordsmith cat who claimed nas stole his track.
^ emotional.
I just wanted to say that TREES FOR BREAKFAST is up in this!
I’m tired of dumb shit. Black Spade, we got u sir.
Disappointing to say the least. All Spade wanted was credit. That is a humble brother right there do this to the wrong Nigga and a piece of yo ass gets clipped, literally Charles. Lesson learned hopefully keep it real and get love the community is mad small and never forgets….
Peace,
D
its funny how almost none of the Charles Hamilton fans that were blindly following both on here & on his blog earlier have commented back since the videos went up
black truth watch the black spade video…. please and realise your error
charles however talented you think he is is also a talented liar!
What a mess. This is the new rap beef. But Charles’ fans are Charles’ fans and they aren’t hearing this. And he’s gonna brush this off like it was nothing. Too bad its taking attention away from Finale’s mix. plug plug plug.
I think its funny how Charles Hamilton goes, “Email me your phone number, on some G shit. I take shit like that very serious.”
On some G Shit? really? G’s email their phone numbers out?
Then pops off with, “And even realer than that, if I jacked your beat, and PERFORMED IT IN FRONT OF YOU, I should be blogging about my bruises, right?”
The dude is talkin cocky with all this beatdown G shit. He was defensive to begin with, and dug himself a deep hole.
“~~Charles Hamilton~~
***beep*** ”
LOL what a lame. Clown ass nappy headed pink wearing dweeb.
Scott Hamilton>>>>>>>>Charles hamilton
Your fuckin fired Charles!
Correct me if I’m wrong (seriously)
Isn’t the “Spade” version just him re-singing an old song?
Isn’t it possible CH got a copy of Spade’s beat, but since Spade’s beat is him re-producing another song CH thought it was the original?
Hence why he linked to the original sample.. which sounds a lot like what Spade recorded…
I’m not a CH fan by the way.. just reading this thinking people are freaking out over a guy sampling a beat/hook that was allready a “copy” of another sample:
http://www.imeem.com/monalisa07/music/9igPHiLY/frankie-beverly-maze-golden-time-of-day/
Fast forward to about 4:40 and you’ll hear the original “Shining” singing stuff….
So again.. don’t get it.. VERY easily CH could have received Spade’s version and mistook him basically “American Idol”-ing the original for the original itself.
I liked lil C.H. dude for a sec. Was willing to “benefit of the doubt him” – NOW HE GET’S ABSOLUTELY ZERO RESPECT & I Hope SouljaBoy Slays ur career -> WAIT -> YOU killed it on UR OWN!…
NOW I’m not advocating stealing beats & CALLING THEN UR OWN or no shit like that BUT, IF U KNOW HOW TO ENGINEER & USE PRO TOOLS LIKE MOI, -> All “Dumb-Ass-Track-Stealing-Chucky Hamhock Bwoy” Had To Do Was Go In & “RE-NAME” Black Spades Track THAT HE STR8 JACKED BEFORE HE POSTED THE PRO TOOLS SESSION “FOR DA WORLD” To SEE!!!
Samuel Jackson: “Hey Lil Chuckie Bwoy, U Know U Done Fucked Up Right?”
Chuckie Hamhock: (stammer stammer stammer)
Samuel Jackson: “U Know U Fucked Up!”
(SMGDPurpleChromeH)-> (LMAO)-> BUT WhtEvr, He Fuhq’d UUUUPPPPPPPP!!!! LMAO AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN. & AGAIN! LOL & ROTF!
I’m Out…
*Bronx, NY’s Underground Ghost Producer/Singer/Songwriter/Pro-Tools Engineer “Purple Chrome” @ iTunes, Amazon, etc. saying u shoulda gave credit & -> respect ur elders BWOY!!!
Real recognize real.
It’s dope to see REAL motherfuckers stand the fuck up, and take it as far as it needed to go in order for some fucking justice. Even folk who commented and knew really what the fuck was up.
Regardless if you like the song or not –
Black Spade is a talented artist and SHOULD be credited for the WORK HE DID. I didn’t comment at all because everyone else basically did it for me. I just wanted to ask one thing..
Where are all the CH fans at?… Or better yet – Mr. Sonic himself?
*crickets*
Thought so..
So the score is –
Hip Hop = 1
Charles Hamilton = 0, w/ 1 technical foul.
Next one is an ejection.
JustSaying,
thats more or less what i already said in the video update text.
at this point its no longer about who made what – its non-debatable that Black Spade made the original beat and Charles got it one way or another, knowingly or unknowingly, and added to it for his own track.
the issue at hand now is all the lies & bullshit Charles has said in response to this whole issue
clearly he either got the beat from somewhere or someone else and DID NOT get it straight from the original record as he has claimed
so basically, if he didn’t steal the beat – then his ghostproducer (who he doesnt wanna admit he has) did.
as a producer — you’d be able to tell the difference between the original and spades.
its dead obvious. he didn’t get this far ignoring such blatant details like that.
that would be such a lame excuse.
yo, Kenny Fresh fuck u, Charles is a beast and put up proof, and Just Saying nailed it in the coffin about the situation, fuck aLL U Haters, Charles has more talent then yall have shit in ur stomachs lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hamiltonians for life, dude raps, sings, and produces/plays insruments beat was recorded in december 06 eat a dick Kenny Fresh
Justin,
Geek down, homie.
Charles put up proof?
And what did I put up? BETTER proof. Lol
and Black Spade raps, sings, produces and plays instruments too
PLUS he credits other when they contribute to a track – whether it be co-producers, guest musicians, background singers, etc. – its all in the liner notes
what a concept, right??
I see what you are saying.
Either way, what he “Stole” was just a re-production of an existing song; a few seconds of a loop.
It’s jack-assery but IMO none of these types of “beats” take all that much talent.. they are all borrowing/stealing heavily from sampled works in the first place.
So he stole a sample of a sample.. meh… his music still bores me so I care no more or less ;)
GARY, INDIANA!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MIDWEST DOESN’T PLAY GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Agent Ricky “Hey B-Money! Aren’t you the guy who ripped off a Madlib beat and sold it to Jay-Z?!” First off Who are you dawg? My names up on the blog. Yeah I used the same sample as Lib, fa sho! I’d do it again in a heartbeat. You know why? Cause no where on that Mel & Tim record do I see Madlibs name. Just like no one with real sense gets on a blog to talk shit about people they don’t know. Keep it real dawg. Run up on me in the street and pop that shit. Nah but you wouldnt do that cause the internet is much gayer for you. You probably don’t see me much on here cause I’m too busy jackin dudes for their beats and all that though, or it could be the fact that I’ve been too busy doing the same things Black Spade has been doing for the last 15 years plus, minding my own business and doing me. Now if you wanna get at me about stealing music… well yeah WOW! I SAMPLE! That puts me in a pretty big club plus I’m in the club of dudes who have the same records “OH SHIT CALL THE COPS”!! Don’t get on here with your finger pointing B.S., wasting my time. I know who got paid on the publishing for that track and it wasn’t Madlib, Now the real question is ….Do you…??
dick riders til the very end. muhfuckas will follow this cat on a long march down a short bridge and shit.
justin the facts are right there. now all you’re doing is namecalling. the proof is in front of you. either you accept it or ignore it, facts are facts.
your idol got ethered. youre still here trying to rep this crooked muhfucka.
salty, bitch-prick. you sour cause you just butt hurt (no homo).
seriously we aLL love hip-hop and i understand all the comments in the end Im glad to see 2 artists that r very talented to get their shine lol on. I like Black Spade to serve with love was a great album, but im a huge Charles fan as well and if dude is wrong then he is wrong, but in this case i have to defend him, i have no reason to believe he is lying, and i totally believe Black Spade, i think we have a situation where two artists and a sample got the best of the hip hop community, 2 great artists in the end, and i love Fresh selects and Kenny im sorry for going in, ur a good dude and put great music on ur site like i said im a huge fan of Charles and i like Black Spade, in the end one word yall PEACE. 4 eveyone, hip hop 4 life,
Great article & break down Kenny. It’s a damn shame this had to go down like this. This could potentially damage Charles’ career (whatever career he has). No shots here, I’m just not that intrigued and geeked at his music as others are. None-the-less, dude was in the wrong and should man up & confess.
yo my name is Sweeney and I was here.
sounds like spade to me.
Phonte makes a good point :-)
Justin….
its not about the sample or anything to that nature…
its about respect and recognition that needs to be givin to Spade FROM CH and he keeps denying the fact that he DIDNT make the beat.
Charles Hamil-DONE. Too bad dude. Sound/Looks like you took the lies too far and can’t u-turn back. So sad.
Even more sad is that Spade got hella beats and you cats could have struck a nice relationship… tough talk gets you nowhere dude. How you gonna ‘shine’ with all that egg on your face??
i wonder how frankie beverly and maze feels about this whole situation. lol
JustSaying
Hip Hop is not for you. Hating on sampling? Really? Calling it stealing? The Fuck?
You hate Hip Hop, why are you here?
JustSaying
All’s well that ends well. Hamilton is a clown. Glad a real nigga prevailed! Much love to Spade and his whole crew.
Fuck a hedgehog.
man..all i can say is…GET OVER IT! In the end of the day its still hip hop. Never heard of Black Spade till now..heard sum of his shit and he sounds nice. IMO its just a damn shame it had to get to this point. Shinin’ is a GOOD ass track now i can’t listen to it the same way without thinking of this bullshit. Damn shame…I still fuck with CH through..he is still one of my favorite rappers. IMO could be one of the greats..(yea I said it)..and one track that was released on the INTERNET and NOT sold or distributed in ANYWAY will hurt his career. So don’t let ONE track fuck up ur producing skills. Had to rant on this one a lil bit..so just let by gones be by gones and just let it go. Just my 2 cents
Charles’ version shits on dudes anyway. I honestly don’t feel like this nigga would steal somebody beat. He seem to passionate about his shit for that. *shrugs* keep doin ya thing Charles.
wow busby… we supposed to drop this shit? that easy? dude is a fraud, plain and simple. you gonna let someone get away with some shit like this? really?
how can you support a muhfucka that aint 100.
you’re the type of fuck that knows bush fucked up on katrina, and let shit slide because he’s the president.
you still believe officer ricky push weight?
in the end, dumb herbs like you keep faulty muhfuckas in business, because you dont stand up for the little guy. and all he wanted was credit. a humble black spade deserves your support in a situation like this. not your retarded justifications and naive comments.
how do we know this is the only instance of this muhfucka doin this?
there might be some unknown person out there somewhere with some REAL skills, being robbed by a fake ass like CH, not getting credit. not getting any respect.
you cant let that happen. and if you do, then you aint no real fan of this hip-hop. plain and simple.
fact is, even though it was internet only release — it was part of a body of work that was claimed to be CH’s. this may not directly end up in dollars — but that track was part of a mixtape that was part of a discography that is now recognized by some poor fucks as “classic” and CH is on the Carson Daly show acting like he’s 100%.
dude is a crook. youre a dumbfuck for believing in this phony.
let’s let dumbfucks be dumbfucks. in the end, real recognize real.
Rebel, you realize that the Black Spade version is an instrumental, right? Listen to the tracks, and it’s blatantly obvious that the sample is NOT from the Frankie Beverly and Maze version, but rather the three vocal layers that Spade showed in his video. I’d also argue that Spade has even less reason to lie about this.
Hamilton’s music is okay. I don’t hate him or anything for any reason. But he needs to learn some discipline. A basic tenet of hip-hop is “No biting”. Had he admitted to dude that, “Yeah, I used your beat, I was feelin’ it”, he’d have been good. Instead, he took credit for something that wasn’t his. Biting.
The ProTools session was also a pretty severe self-sonning, as tools for modifying a file’s Created, Last Changed, etc. dates are widely available, and the session files contain the instrumental as created by Spade.
Seriously, Charles: keep doing your thing. But be honest with yourself and everyone else, and give credit where it’s due.
Its only one fuckin track, this nigga charles got like 200 songs out and yall Commin at him all crazy off one track? Loyal fans is gonna roll with charles cause we appreciate the hard work he puts in.
You can be loyal and everything. And yeah, it’s only one track. But that’s one track too many. If this shit had been the biggest hit CH made, there’d have been some major issues. Black Spade could’ve been the new Chill Rob G.
Look at it this way: you’re an artist. You make a sketch. You’re at a gallery and see that same sketch, except in full, vivid color. You tell the artist you appreciate what he did with the sketch, and he says he drew it himself. You’d probably stab him in the eye with a pencil. You can do a simile about office jobs, college essays, slam dunks, whatever. It’s wrong to pass off someone else’s work as your own. Forgery. Spade’s being quite generous in spite of the situation.
And considering that this instrumental was jacked, maybe he doesn’t work quite as hard as you think he does. Consider that. It would definitely explain how he has time to make this many songs.
I don’t think Hamilton knew it was Spade’s beat, but he knew damn well it wasn’t his own production.
awwwwww marky mark…u maaaaaaaad…i ain’t gonna waste my time arguing with sum nigga on the internet…its M.O. (My. Opinion)…nuff said
“all the hard work he puts in” (no homo)
really? he puts in hard work by stealing others beats? the only thing that was really hard for him in this situation was trying to make the fake ass beat files and roll back his computer date.
how you know this is the only instance, b?
im so dissapointed at yall muhfuckas.
200 songs means nothing with 1 that aint his. plain and simple. it’s the principle.
there are producers/artists out there with discographies that are decades deep without one stolen beat.
premo for example.
at some point yall stupid lames need to recognize and acknowledge an artist’s integrity.
you newjacks might not know what that is. but its a nine-letter word that holds a hell of a lot behind it in the industry. once that shit is tainted, his peers will all lose respect for him.
you fans reading this are a dwindling number.
continue to support him if you want. just know that deep down inside, your idol has not been 100 with you.
with chuck ham lying to (YOU) his fans like this, that just shows he dont give a fuck about yall.
by all means. true artists who care about the craft, their following wouldnt let this type of shit happen.
hear no evil. see no evil. i guess thats the mantra for fans of chuck ham.
i need to slap the pink kufis of yall heads.
WOW!!! IM GLAD SKIPPER GOT TO BE BEHIND THAT CAM WHILE THE TRUTH WAS BEING TOLD. IT FELT PRETTY GOOD……www.mademonarchs.com ALL DAY every day
WOW
That Black Spade video is the nail in the coffin.
It reaffirms everything I said.
When he plays the percussion loop on his Keyboard and explains that you couldn’t do that on a Motif, that’s it, FUCK A FAKE PRO TOOLS SESSSION, THAT I BLACK SPADE VIDEO DEMOS THE ENTIRE BEAT BROKEN DOWN PIECE FOR PIECE AND SOUND FOR SOUND ON THE MOTHERFUCKIN MPC
There is not one CH Stan I have seeen that knows anything about Production or seems to have any musical background (they can’t spell or write coherent sentences either LOL)
You would have to ENJOY being TREATED LIKE AN IDIOT and TALKED DOWN TO to even still be supporting Charles Hamilton at this point.
You probably the reason Bush got reelected in ’04, type of motherfuckers that like to be treated like you were born yesterday. (but fuck all that politics shit).
On the other hand, do ya’lll know who 14 KT is? B Money? These are PROFLIC MUSICIANS AND PRODUCERS.
There have been like over 20 Producer/Musicians who have weighed in on this and they ALL got BLACK SPADE’s BACK.
If I was Charles, and I realized this myself, I too would be on some pseudo-suicidal shit right now. That is A JURY OF YOUR “PEERS” and they all find you guilty, and the only people who keep supporting you are non-musicians who talk like they just outta High School. They don’t respect Hip Hop, they only respect Charles, that’s like Tim Hardaway realizing his only friends are Gay people.
Im out.
B-Money-
I heard a while back that was your beat for 50′s ‘Hustler’s Ambition’, and you didn’t get proper credit. If so, i’m sending my props. That was a true heater, as was the Jay joint. I know ‘lib did that sample too, but I was diggin how you flipped it. Anyway, where can I hear more of your music, and what do you have in the work for the future???
Lyin’
C.H got caught lyin’
whoah ohh whoaoh ohh
whoaaah whoaah
whooah whoaah
ouchie…credit where credits due would have made this one less internet rap adventure.aww well you live and your learn??.
one thing thats come outta this is that i’ll be checkin for Black Spade’s blaps, didnt know he got down like that!.
pz one and all
.kos
this post was awesome. good shit kenny.
holy… wow.. kids got balls.
*dies
Watched video after the fact. what was dude smokin on when he tried to pull this $#%$?? musta been that good..
Just wanted to add that Black Spade has a new fan. Anybody who shouts out Gary, IN is alright with me!
eyez was here. Spade. Get Your “SHINE” on. off this clown. The Irony. is Awesome.
oh no people will get over it
because niggas obviously got over jay-z stealing biggie rhymes
and all the other fucked up shit that’s happened throughout the course of time
purists will continue to be mad but whatever
and that’s how the world works
There are rules to this Hip Hop shit.
shiii… I must be dumb as fuck because I can’t hear Black Spades voice in the song… It’s just the sample with some vocal boosting and different layers of EQ…
And every Charles fan knows the Pink lavalamp was recorded in 2006… We all knew that way before this Black Spades situation… So why the are you doubting it saying some ish about file date changing… can you do that ish on a sega genesis? lmao
Maybe Black Spade did his beat in 2005 whatever but he said in 2007.. and I can tell you this shinin’ track was recorded in 2006.. So I dont knooow..
CHECK OUT THE ORIGINAL SAMPLE FFS
http://www.myspace.com/fbm6142006
Frankie Beverly & Maze – Golden Time of Day..
Funny how Black Shade didn’t say what sample it was before Charles did…
And yea if he stole this beat from Black Spades he must’ve stole every beat on the Pink lavalamp.. since this shit is in exactly the same style as every beat on the pink lavalamp.. lmao
And at ya’ll dudes that didn’t have any idea who black spades was few days ago… Whaddafuck?… why ya’ll got his back now like you have been listening to him since 2006 when he made the Shinin beat ( If he made it it must’ve been in 2007 )
Imo black spade is remaking the beat to get some attention from an up and coming artist… I guess he has now got enough attention.. So just drop it..
whatever I have bunch of more stuff to say but why spend my energy on ranting about something we’ll never agree about… I don’t care if Charles Made the beat or not… But what black spade is saying is def not enough to start hating on CH… Lmao this shit is so stupid… Lets just all get together and make some music…
Hlynkinn,
You CAN’T be serious
Did you watch the videos?
Did you read ANY of the original blogs & comments?
Black Spade used no samples in his beat, he played everything
Everything he played & sang is in Charles’ song – you don’t have to just hear it, you can SEE it there in the second video
No one knows the exact date Spade made his beat on nor have they claimed to
I’m sure he doesn’t mark his calendar every time he makes a beat just in case he hears some kid rapping over it 3 years later
Meanwhile, CH has said 3 different recording dates publicly:
- First he said it was recorded in 2007 in his first comment on here
- Then he said it was in Nov 2006 cuz it was his homie’s birthday
- Then the source file says Dec 2006
And yet you still cling to HIS story like its concrete evidence – thats pure bias in your logic.
Even Charles now realizes that was Spade’s beat in his song at this point
He has to – I talked to him on the phone and I know he’s no idiot
Its non-debatable at this point.
Only thing thats still up in the air is the how, when and who from Charles got Spade’s beat
But hes obviously embarrassed at this point and is not man enough to admit he fucked up and got caught out there
So whatever – point proven.
Kid has no credibility with real heads from here on out.
None.
lol @ your whole mission to assasinate someone’s career, (in no way am i condoning what charles did), but you my man are really trying to destroy that man’s career…on some level that is foul (once again not condoning anything..if you really just wanted to expose it & let the world know you’ve accomplished that)
Kenny you had me laughin all day yesterday!!!
This shit is still hilarious hahahahaha
This is why I read blogs(the best might I say)and props to Black for schooling these lil ninjas(cuz he really didnt have to go there with the video. thats just extra credit) and props to freshselects for exposing this weak ass theivin ass rappers we call the future. still Lmfao(wipes tears from eyes)BWUAHHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I don’t mind commenting after the videos have went up! I just attend school and have more important elements of my day….
But yea I feel the same I feel like this was blown outta porportion and coulda been settled between the 2 of them.
But that’s just me…
On the rel this whole situation aint even worth commenting on. The fact of the matter is the proof is in the Pro tools. The dates are concrete. Anyone can come along and say they stole something or say someone else stole something of theirs easily. Whether or not CH made the beat his entire MO was sampling beats. So to hear the beat was sampled shouldn’t even be an issue. Now there is the coincidence that both beats sound similar, look similar and have the same voice patterns but who’s to say the Black Spade didn’t take it from him. Black Spade is a very talented producer but being a talented producer he can re-create the beat on other machines. Not saying he did or didn’t. I do take Charles Hamilton’s side on the issue but even though its stacked against him I’m not gonna get out of his corner. Now if CH comes out and says yeah he stole the beat then its whatever, if Black Spade comes out and says that he stole the beat then its whatever. I aint never heard of Black Spade til now. I understand trying to prove a point but until one of them says yo it aint mine then its gonna be whatever. I’m not gonna try and argue with you guys over it but I am going to give you my opinion on it. Anything is possible with a mass of talent and between the two is a great amount of talent. I would like to see the two work together on something but to say CH credibility is completely lost is stupid. If it’s not one thing then its another with any up-and-coming artist. People hated on 50 & Game before they blew up but its nothing now right? People are gonna do what they wanna do for their 15 mins of fame. No matter who’s it is doesn’t matter. Kenny & everyone else here can attack me because of whatever reasons they have it doesn’t matter to me. Say what you’re gonna say and go home. You’re honestly the last thing on my mind right now. I just wanna hear good music no matter who it be from.
One more thing, where’s the PROOF of when Black Spade “made” the beat? I didn’t see that in his video.
way to set it straight Veto… truth always come to light…
“Black Spade used no samples in his beat, he played everything”
What… the beat is obv. chopped from that Frankie Beverly & maze song… is that even arguable?
”
Everything he played & sang is in Charles’ song – you don’t have to just hear it, you can SEE it there in the second video”
He remade the beat and played it on his mpc for you guys… how can that be enough proof for me…
It might as well be Black Spades beat but whatever a lot of these comments sound stupid..
like seriously check 04:00 in that Frankie Beverly & Maze song..
It’s the sample Black Spade or CH must have used.. lmao…
Whatever CH or not I’m back to making some music…
LOL..
Glad to see C.H. fans are sticking by this lame. Jus says there LOYAL & blind BUFFOONS!
This whole thing is old now..hes wack, a biter, a BAD lier, and EXPOSED so the real niccas kno whats up..
Lets keep it pushin,
FINALE’s album is certified greatness!
I wasn’t going to comment, but Charles and his fans need to releaze what really happened. Mr. Pink stole the beat. He lost.
“But that’s giving this no name n1gga WAY too much attention.” -CH
Didn’t Spade have a record deal before you did anyway Chucky?
I hadn’t even heard of CH until all this unfolded. SPADE WINS!
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Oh – I was here too – perhaps too late – but I seen it all unfold.
From Wikipedia:
“He recently was accused of taking a beat called “Shinin’” from a producer named Black Spade. Charles performed the song at SXSW in 2009 and was confronted about the situation by Black Spade, who was in attendance. Charles denied stealing any material, but through posting his pro-tools files on his blog, he proved to be the jacker of the Spade beat, thus contributing to his own downfall.”
Heres a RECAP from some artists in the hiphop community who have reacted to this incident:
?uestlove:
OUCH! wtf chuck?!
Nicolay:
Damn this Charles Hamilton thing blew up fast. Big shout out to my man Black Spade for keeping it really real
Just Blaze:
holy… wow.. kids got balls. *dies
what was dude smokin on when he tried to pull this $#%$??
Illmind:
sorry Charles Hamilton.. ya done
I never liked Charles Hamilton’s music.. to jack a beat is one thing, but to blatantly claim that you made it, when you didn’t, is bafoonery.. Black Spade, don’t let this guy get away with this. I’ll tell you what.. Charles, if you are reading this (or anyone who may know him), post up the stems to the beat with ALL PARTS separated (at least 8 bar loops, kick, snare, hi hats, percussion, synths, “shinin” vocal, etc etc) with start points lined up.. and saying you “2-tracked” it from ya “beat machine” is unacceptable.. if you can provide this, then I will delete my post and whole-heartedly apologize.. (but probably still not cop your music lol).. this reminds me of that cat who took credit for APEX’S “I Get Money” beat for Fif, and tried to re-create it in the studio and made a complete bafoon of himself..
DJ House Shoes:
Its monday march 30th 2009. And Charles Hamilton is still a piece of shit.
Dynas:
Disappointing to say the least. All Spade wanted was credit. That is a humble brother right there do this to the wrong Nigga and a piece of yo ass gets clipped, literally Charles. Lesson learned hopefully keep it real and get love the community is mad small and never forgets….
Phonte:
Between Cudi “retiring” and C Ham stealin beats, this new class of MCs are summa the most whiny, passive-aggressive, beta male niggas ever.
A big part of me though, wonders where we (the older heads) failed this new generation. They OBVIOUSLY missed a few lessons, and it shows.
I know that Kanye opened the floodgates for the male diva/drama queen shit in hip-hop, but he had the talent and sales to back it up.
These new niggas be havin the ego of Kanye, the greasy talk of 50……and the catalogue of Spliff Star.
Khrysis:
dude…really?? thats the same beat dog… him and berg need to do a album together…
Yo Kenny,
my mistake..I honestly didnt even open the file cause my laptop is down and this desktop isnt big enough to install protools.
I actually assumed when he CH said he uploaded the session everything that SHOULD be there, would be in there.
Big shout out to Spade. Keep it moving, homie!
at some point over the last few years, biting became an acceptable activity in hip hop. I can’t get with it. sad.
big up to kenny and all the rest of the blogs who put this story out. peice to adrian and skip from made monarch.
thanks for the footage skip you shot well.
big up all who rode with a nigga thats all the cred i need
blackspade.aka.stoney rock…
@ Hlynkinn… you got protools on a sega genesis?
this is great Kenny.. PPPRRREEEEAAAAAACCHHH!!!!
okay,
after reading all these comments, i am now thoroughly convinced that charles hamilton fans are the most retarded bunch of so-called hip-hop fans i’ve ever come across.
Mike was here….
Whatup Kenny lol
omg!!!! Hlynkinn is soooooooo right i just cheked out that myspace page he put up he did sampled Frankie Beverly & Maze – Golden Time of Day it sounds exactly like the sample in hamilton’s song ahh even the whole drum pattern lol!!! so a soul group is the real maker of the sample damn well charles did a good job in flipping it out not the best song but yeah frankie berverly and maze u rock for being the original creator ofthe smaple!!! xD lol!! anywyas im going to let the issue go cuz its not even that big of a deal in a profesional perspective lol1!!peace!! the dead zone lol!!!
I’m shocked by all of this. I met Black Spade in the Lou. My brother Kash is cool with him and Tef (I think he was in a group with Tef Poe if I ain’t mistaken). This was one of the more talented dudes out of that city and a REAL honest and humble cat. I wish Spade the best and I hope he getting some work off this “controversy” too. All the CH haters though are going hard with the “f-word” and this and that. I hope he mans up and accepts this L like a man should and keeps making his art.
PEACE
Bob:
I love hip-hop; enjoy all types of beats.. one that use samples heavily ones that don’t.
I didn’t call sampling stealing; I was merely pointing out that Spade’s version of “Shinin” isn’t 100% original work. He re-sang a part of an old song, and then re-did the melody.
That’s ALL I’m saying. It’s not like CH stole a completly unique “beat”; he stole a “beat” that is a copy of an old song both melodically and with the singing.
It takes talent to grab a sample and make it sound good on a hip-hop beat; but this story is VERY similar to if 2 artists took the same sample nad made 2 different beats. The only difference is instead of “using the same sample” CH used Spade’s re-recorded “sample.”
It’d be like if I made a beat using a song an American Idol contestant sang with a band that re-arranged the music instead of the original version of the song.
But if you want to know, I do believe the original artists who sang and recorded the music for the original song showed more talent creating that song than Black Spade did copying their song.
That’s not to say BS isn’t talented, or even “as talented” as them; just that in this particular case, while cool, re-singing and creating a simpler version of a song isn’t exactly rocket science.
I’d also rather listen to BS’s re-sung version w/ hip hop lyrics than the original.
AND once again, I am NOT a CH fan; never really liked him. And he does appear to be a liar.. I’d guess Fresh is right and that he doesn’t make very many of his beats at all but uses a Ghost producer, which is why he ASSUMED the 2 songs were just using the same sample. If you don’t isolate BS’s version of the track it SOUNDS like a loop of the original song.
Basically, CH probably never heard BS’s isolated version.
wtf. how am i gonna keep my title of fresh selects commenter NUMBA WAN
Just waking up…watched the vids..Spade all day he broke it all the way down so he needs to just admit to it. Next is gonna be a snowball effect people are gonna start checking to see what else he stole. Me. i’m done. I can’t support a artist who does that Spade if you are reading this I need some drops from you please.
K.Fresh thanks cause people needed to know about this.
stealing beats ends careers.
watch.
Gotta love these nonsense posts. Can we now get on with some dope music plz :)
Okay… ONE LAST TIME for all the CH fans still not getting it.
Here are the undeniable, already proven facts:
- Black Spade RECREATED the Frankie Beverly & Maze song, obviously he made it sound like the original still but he DID NOT SAMPLE it. He replayed it. In the video he shows exactly how he did it – piece by piece. (Sidenote: Charles was asked to do a similar video showing how he made HIS beat and he agreed, but later called back saying he wouldn’t be able to do it due to “legal reasons” – i.e. he realized he just added to Spade’s beat and didnt wanna admit it on camera and get sued for copyright)
- Charles Hamilton’s “beat” contains the full, single stereo track of Black Spade’s recreation of the Maze song, and NO elements of the Maze song other than the intro Spade left in there. The second video clearly proves that.
- Black Spade has never claimed an exact date that he created the beat – Charles Hamilton has claimed 3 different ones publicly. Either way, it would be very close to impossible for Black Spade to recreate Charles’ beat himself, especially after only hearing it live. And it would be VERY impossible for Charles to have made the beat himself for various reasons – including not knowing the right equipment that the sounds came from, not realizing that those were Dilla drums he used, not being able to sing in Black Spade’s very recognizable voice, etc.
Anything other than that – how Charles got the beat, if Charles knew it was Spade he was sampling or not, etc. has yet to be proven.
But at the very least Charles has been PROVEN A LIAR since he claimed he was the only person involved in this beat and that he sampled it straight from the record source. At least one of those is impossible at this point, and there were clearly blatant lies and not mistakes.
Comprende?
To AdubC at “279″. Thanks for the props. I’m in the lab now. Putting some things together. Stay tuned. You will be hearing more from me soon. You can check me & my homies blog over at http://www.pardonmeduke.com I guess you can say I’m a technical adviser for the blogosphere these days..lol
The problem for anyone who listened to To Serve With Love is that the album didn’t get the proper recognition. Shit is dope one of the best thing I’ve listened in 2008. Got an impact like cold vein or lord willin’ had (it’s a fresh air in a not very good hip hop period, and its draws schemes of upcomings albums/genre in hip hop). It takes the best of hip hop history (u can feel black on both side or like water for chocolate in it) but still 2008/++ music. But nobodies gives a shit of that album…It’s ok, not the 1st time, not the last neither. And then CH take one of this songs like its nothing. That’s simply too much.
That’s the point that CH/CH fans don’t get, we’re not talking about some regular artist. If BS will have Common or Mos Def charisma/entourage/cue face watheva unmusic criteria people choose to give props to an album, to serve with love would had been something bigger, again it’s ok not the 1st time, not the last neither.
I truly understand CH reaction because BS reaction was unpredictable, instead of acting like a real hip hop thug (=the reaction that most people would had and the only reaction that CH could faced, and btw the reaction that we used to see in this not so perfect culture) BS chooses to act in good manners, so CH kind of freak out. CH is young and a lot of people would have act the same way at his age. Deny is the most natural reaction for that situation and the reaction of most of the people. And CH couldn’t have anticipated the fact that some “influent” people got BS back. So what? It should have stop denying when it gets all over Internet? Again, most of the people would had react the same way.
I write this message now I wouldn’t wrote it like this 2 days ago when the shit start. I obviously understand BS entourage and fans.
And some hate needed to be spread. I think everybody who listened to BS music got this in mind when they start hatin on CH, but nobody said it clearly, now this part of the story is told.
Peace, take this as an ocasion to show some love to Black Spade Music & Excuse my french.
Charles Hamilton, you seem like a lil cool dude, but that bitin shit is weak.
I live in the mid, we respect dilla…st louis is in the midwest…You need to give that man his credit for that beat…I don’t care how hard you think you are cuzz, and how untouchable you think you are, you fucking with that man’s livelihood…I’ve seen horrible shit happen over way less…Talking about some real G shit…If you was on your G, you’d be like “yup, I took it, what you gonna do?”
Instead, you start gettin hype, backtracking, and talking about how G you are..and protools files.
LIL NIGGA WHAT?
That don’t mean a damn thang.
Be a man and admit you stole that man’s shit…I don’t know who’s in your ear piping you up, but you need to tell that man quit it before it’s too late.
Charles is too egotistical… but don’t worry bloggers i beat him in a foot race..
@Kenny Fresh
To be honest I Dead Ass give no fuck about any of dis BS. Charles is a fucking musician that RAPS. He just happens to make amazing beats. To be real Shining is not the best beat I ever herd from whoever made it. Charles has made waaaaaaaaayyyyyy beter beats and if you listen to some of his songs you might notice. He produces most of them himself and probably produced this one too. Only God, Spade, Charles, and anyone they told knows.
The only reason y i am commenting is because you make it seem like he is a weak rapper. Just cuz he new yet is on par with some peoples favorite rappers don’t mean you hate. I mean let me be real, 13 tapes in a year is crazy for the normal rapper but if you listen to every last… no just one of them you are gona get hungry and want more. But that’s only if you like real music. And Spades is so fucking irrelevant anyway, i mean everyone starts somewhere and he might be known on the internet my some people but come on now, if he been out that long y is he not hot and known by the majority of people. He said he is 33 well shit where is yo shit at. Yea he made an album, that makes it worse cuz Charles probably got more downloads on his weakest… no less amazing tape. I live in da Chi and i aint eva herd of a Black Spade, not even on da internet. Charles is fuckin signed and was widely known before that. He is putin his niggas on (Demevolist) and they are all raw as hell. IDK or care f spade raps or not(its not worth looking up) but i would bet my fuckin left arm that any one from Demezolist will eat him alive. Charles and Demevolist are a big part of the fuckin future so get with it or get lost. So yea dats my take on this. Got a problem or want to comment email is yellaac@yahoo.com get at me. ~$C-Money$~
how old are charles’ god damn fans? like 16? it takes the mentality of a dumb newjack herb to not understand this entire situation.
if charles is the future, why is this cat cockriding a video game character that is almost 20 years old? LMAO. wearing pink, a trend that was dipset like 5 years ago. and treating you like you were born yesterday?
the future looks bleak for all of us if you really think they’re going to be it.
the future is finale, thrilla, and all that.
not to mention, who needs the future when we’ve got vets like raekwon about to drop a gems like OBFCL2.
i’ll take my chances with the past. obviously where hamilton is living. but making you believe that a 90s video game is the future. his cult following is hilarious.
stupid lames.
much love to Kenny Fresh & freshselects as a blog.
pause for the cause..
GOOD music..forever.
The telltale part is the exact recreation of the three-layer harmony showing up in CH’s track. If Hamilton wanted to use the FB&M sample and flip it into his own thing, he could’ve done that, but instead he jacked Black Spade’s beat wholesale.
CH fans: worse than not acknowledging CH’s transgressions is justifying them. “This isn’t even the best beat he’s rapped over”, “CH has hundreds of songs and you’re focusing on just one”, “I like Charles’s version better anyway”. That’s bullshit. “Just once” is one time too many.
I don’t care how long Spade’s been in the game without a feature on Last Call with Carson Daly. Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t happen. See: MURS, Santogold, etc. But that’s completely irrelevant when it comes to having the decency to not jack a man’s beat then not acknowledge it to his face- even worse, claim you produced it.
whether ur signed or not is not the point of this whole thing. i could care less. Most artists that i do appreciate aren’t signed for real so whoever said that stated an irrelevant opinion. That sh*T was for the birds.
The whole point is that credit was not given where it was due.
Point blank. Show some respect.
@Chris Lofton Let me be clear, homie. You need to do your research before you talk shit in defense of someone who has already lost credibility.
Hip Hop is not just music, it’s a culture, it’s a community, it’s art and expression. No one is on CH’s case for wanting to add to that culture with his music – We’re on his case because in order to be regarded as a true artist, a true MC, and a true part of the community, there’s some shit you just can’t do. Biting is numero uno. I could give a fuck if Charles is signed or if Spade is not, because Spade kept it real and Charles didn’t.
If you are going to call yourself an “artist” then you have to respect the art. You have to respect other artists and their work. If you can do that then your just another wannabe pretending to be real.
Now if you really love the music, the culture, and the community of Hip Hop then you wouldn’t even say some ignorant shit like that. And if Charles was really that passionate about Hip Hop and helping to change it for the better then he would live by those rules.
Also, have you ever heard the term “over saturation”? It’s what happens when you release 13 mixtapes in one year.
Dear Chris Lofton,
FALL BACK! Just because yo boy got exposed for the thief he was dont mean you need to diss a HONEST mc. Spade gets mad love and YOU may not know of him but others do. Spade got tracks with alot of REAL dudes in the game so that weak talk is for the birds B! And you talk like Charles Hamilton is only one that has better beats?! Ninja Please! Spade got mad beats that Charlie Boi aint got nothing on. And for the record SPADE HAS NO PRO TOOLS OR EVEN A COMPUTER IN HIS STUDIO, ONLY MACHINES AND INSTRUMENTS. Get with it…
P.S
HE IS A WEAK RAPPER!!!!!!
Dammnnn… Even my pops, who doesn’t even listen to hip hop, emailed me about this thread… Looks like you’re getting the 50somethings in here K. Fresh!!!
charles hamilton and his whole camp are frauds. they’ve been exposed. fuck interscope, fuck that midget hamilton, and fuck his prepubesant managers.
Yall niggas cryin over a beat man We all kno CH didnt steal this beat SMH…yall act like he sold the beat to ppl saying it was his….and plus like some of the ppl said above me CH made dat beat like in 06….
Here’s the latest from CH’s blog comments cut & pasted so you don’t have to go there and be subject to bright pink text & his music playing:
“Anonymous said…
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
KENNY FRESH
BLACK SPADE
VANDALYZM
14KT
…AND ANY OTHER EMCEE / PRODUCER TALKING SHIT OVER THE INTERNET…
THE TIME HAS COME.
IMAGINE YOU HAD THE POWER TO CHANGE HIP HOP? SO THAT THINGS NEVER WERE THE SAME AGAIN? THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS…
YOU CAN.
CHANGE HAS BEEN UNDER YOUR NOSES ALL THIS TIME.
“THERE’S RULES TO THIS SHIT” (C) DJ PREMIER
^^^ THIS WAS PLASTERED ON THE HEADER OF THE FRESH SELECTS BLOG. YOU SEE, I ALWAYS THOUGHT…WITH HIP HOP…THE ONLY RULE IS THAT THERE ARE NO RULES.
KENNY FRESH PUT UP A FRONT THIS WHOLE TIME, CLAIMING TO BE UPSET ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC HIS WEBSITE GOT DUE TO THESE BEAT JACKING ACCUSATIONS – HA! HE LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. SPENT A LOT OF TIME PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, PROVIDING UP TO THE MINUTE UPDATES AND ARGUING WITH DETRACTORS.
SO, KENNY FRESH WILL BE MY FIRST VICTIM. I GOT DIRT ON MR. FRESH AND WILL BE AIRING HIM OUT AT SOME POINT THIS WEEK. THAT’S ALL THAT WILL BE SAID REGARDING THAT. STAY TUNED TO FRESH SELECTS AND CHARLES HAMILTON’S BLOG FOR THAT, I’LL BE IN THE C-SECTION.
IF KENNY FRESH WANTS A BATTLE, WE WILL GIVE HIM A WAR. AND THERE IS NO WAR WITHOUT CASUALTIES. UNFORTUNATELY, KENNY DECIDED TO SEND OUT HIS LITTLE BUDDY BLACK SPADE TO THE FRONT LINES TO GET MURKED.
BLACK SPADE, HERE’S MY PLAN FOR YOU. AND THIS GOES FOR THE OTHER EMCEES / PRODUCERS I LISTED ABOVE, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO GETS IN THE WAY: I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ALBUM, EVERY SONG, AND I WILL FIND EVERY SAMPLE. ONCE I FIND THE SAMPLE, I WILL CONTACT THE ESTATES AND/OR RECORD LABELS OF SAID ARTISTS. IT’S A SHAME THAT SO MANY UNDERGROUND RAPPERS/RAP LABELS DON’T CLEAR SAMPLES – QUITE THE GLASS CEILING – DON’T YOU THINK? I HOPE THESE UNDERGROUND EMCEES / PRODUCERS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SAVED UP TO CLEAR THESE SAMPLES, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEIR ALBUMS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME COLLECTORS ITEMS. THAT’S MY WORD. AND MY WORD IS MY BOND. ANYONE CAN GET IT.
MUCH LOVE TO MR. HAMILTON. TIME TO STOMP OUT THESE COCKROACHES.
I CAN AND WILL KILL HIP HOP.
DIDN’T WANT TO…
…BUT YOU *FUCKS* MADE ME HAVE TO PRESS THE RED BUTTON.
FOREVER YOURS,
MR. ZODIAK”
***********************************************************
My reply:
“FRESHselects said…
“Mr Zodiak”
Man.. you are one of the only cats on here actually making SOME sense and using logic in your thinking. So I gotta respect you for that.
At least you admit the beat is stolen – sorry you took the whole situation so personally, but thats on you.
For real though – I’m NOT trying to have my site blow up on some crazy traffic shit
My blog has and always will be for a specific niche of music listeners and I understand that
I’m much more concerned about quality than I ever could be about quantity – which is why I only make like 3 or 4 posts a week tops.
I did email my link & story to other websites to get it re-posted, just as I always do with my exclusive posts.
Ask any other blogger I mess with – my exclusives have been reposted on NahRight, 2DopeBoyz, VIMBY, AllHipHop, etc. for months before all of this ever started
I honestly never expected to see the amount of traffic I have these last few days, but I’m also not getting gassed by it either
Cuz I know most people are just stepping in real quick for some quick fix controversy/beef shit and probably wouldn’t give a fuck about the other artists I post about on the regular
And I’m cool with that.
If they stick around – dope, more people to put onto good music
If they don’t – no sweat off my back
Notice there are no ad’s on my site and most likely never will be
I’ll never made a single cent from Fresh Selects and I don’t really intend to at this point
It ain’t about that.
But don’t get it twisted – there are most definitely rules to this rap shit
True hip-hop is very anti-establishment in its nature, but there still needs to be some self-regulation within the culture otherwise people could get away with all types of ridiculous shit
And I’m sure that Charles realizes this too, which is probably why hes called out Soulja Boy and others like he has
So thats all I was doing – self-regulating the culture and exposing a blatant liar
My blog is not about beef though
There are plenty of other artists doing much bigger & better things than Charles is that I personally am not a fan of
But you’ll never find a single mention of their name on my site, just like there was zero previous mention of Charles on there
That is, until he got blatantly caught pulling some bullshit on an artist that I not only considered extended fam, but more importantly, have posted about & supported in the past,
and even worse – denying and then lying about it.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing and discrediting whatever “dirt” you got on me. LOL
My conscience is clean and so is my track record in the industry, so I’m not worried.
You can call me if you have any further questions
Charles has the number”
I’m hella late. The mushroom cloud has already dissipated and now only smoke a crater and ruins/debris are left. What was destroyed? Charles Hamilton’s integrity, word and hopefully his career.
Does he know how much he fucked up? Does he know the Black Spade has REAL fans and supporters? Does he know that what he did isn’t acceptable on any level? Does he know that there are a LOT of places he can’t go now? Probably not.
Well, I guess this is what we can expect from the poster boy for Hip Hop 2.0, huh? (Carson Daly’s phrase, not mine).
One.
OH BOY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2v-8ctq5x4
kinda funny how u fuckers are still up on CH’s blog and spamming it….u DO know he is not gonna respond right?..u guys are living up ur 15 min so enjoy them while it lasts….he is just gonna release more music and make u fuckers mad…and i think we are gonna expect a CH diss track soon right? yeeeeeeeeeea….in the end of the day CH is still gonna have people baking him and this black spade nigga is gonna forever remain nameless and fade to black…not gonna be “shinin’ no more…
oh yea in the words of Jay-Z
“yea i sampled ur voice you were using it wrong, u thought it was a hot line, I made it a hot song”
don’t be maaaaaaaaaaad…:)
Yeah, notice how Jay-Z admitted to that shit when Nas called him out on (even tho it was obvious & cleared to begin with)
What a concept.
this dude said..
“FOREVER YOURS,”
WOOOW quick with the response..LMAO
and your reaction was to post a new response even quicker??
……okay, fam.
geek down.
Aaron, one thing u forgot , SPADE WAS NEVER NAMELESS TO BEGIN WITH! THATS WHY THIS ARTICLE WAS MADE, BECAUSE HE GOT TRUE SUPPORTERS. So all yall dudes talking this “nameless” stuff can chunk that up for the birds B! That don’t fly in these parts. On a side note Charlie Boy, whats done is done, dont let it happen again. Midwest all day…
Wow…who gives a fuck? No seriously, who gives a fuck about something as petty as a beat? This dude has 13 mixtapes out (stop crying about how many mixtapes artists put out…people need substantial amounts of mixtapes and shit)and your dumb ass is over here wah wahing about ONE beat? Nigga who gives a fuck about Black Spade? I know I havn’t heard of the nigga, but obviously he ain’t got no life if he has to sit around posting up videos. I mean shit, it’s not like he’s got your shit on an album. It’s a fuckin mixtape named The Pink Lavalamp, damn. That shit’s probably out for free somewhere, wtf are you crying about? Power to you little man, even if he mentioned your name you still think you’d get a bunch of exposure? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. And as for the writer, get the FUCK out of the house. Seriously, get out and look into the beautiful spectrums of sunshine descending from the sky. You feel that? That’s the feeling of being somewhere where there really -isn’t- a computer. There’s just sunshine, this is where most people have to go in order to have music videos like Mr Hamilton here. And as a writer, I have to say this blog is absolute shit. Just blatant haterism like some 13 year old fan boy couped up in his room trying to discredit Charle’s Hamilton. You probably jizzed your pants when he called. Either way, no, Hamilton’s career isn’t going to be finished by some whack ass blogger trying to get his five minutes of fame over the internet. What a retard. Please keep discrediting anything ONE person does and making negatives out of it, you just look like more of a fag.
Btw, for someone who’s so adamant in supporting the beat Spade sure didn’t put a known song for that shit. It’s increaisngly obvious that this cornball ass nigga over here only posted this shit about Charles Hamilton cuz that was probably the only person who’d pay attention to him for a minute. Notice how he hasn’t jacked anyone else’s beats….PS. You’re still a lame
“Tha Ether,”
Relax, little buddy.
It’s gonna be okay.
It is obvious that CH fans have no idea. I assume the reason they have no idea is because they lack education. By education I mean musical education.
Its cool guys… the more you listen to music, the more you will immerse yourself into it, the more you will understand it.
In several years time when your tastes develop and you discover the hard work that goes into music (hopefully one day you will dabble into music production and learn first hand) you will realise that this is a BIG DEAL.
Your argument about ‘shine’ being one of CH’s weakest beats/tracks and how he has another dozen tracks that are better does not add fuel to your argument.
Who says he hasn’t used other peoples beats in the past without giving credit. I think this point is HUGE… How many times has CH jacked other peoples beats in the past? I truly hope only this once.
Personally, I don’t really like CH’s music that much…. BUT its not that bad considering the rubbish that is polluting our airwaves. i just hope CH has the balls to admit (at least to Black Spade) that he messed up.
All these CH fans sound really young and look as though they are supporting an artist they really like and are really into (which is a great thing – so many artist only wish they could have that kind of support). CH is really lucky to have fans like that who support him even though its a blatant rip off.
Hopefully he give them what THEY deserve… The Truth.
I am tired of people not being transparent.
ps. Stay off that ‘g shit’ CH – its so lame man.
“who gives a fuck about something as petty as a beat?”
I’m pretty sure people producing don’t see beats as petty. In fact, they likely see it as the opposite: their livelihood. What they make money off of, how they keep themselves fed. “Who gives a fuck about something as petty as a day’s pay?”
Stop being so defensive and look past perceived biases against CH in this blog. Instead, look straight at the facts. The fact is, Black Spade was able to produce the individual elements of the beat, while CH could only produce a ProTools session that included the already completed instrumental.
Jeez. I’m so late on this topic, I’m not even concerned. The videos proved it all. Black Spade is a monster. Sorry I missed him at SXSW. I need some more of his music. CH. Not so much.
@Black Truth
You know why career’s NEED to be Destroyed?
THE RAPPING FLIGHT ATTENDANT
That’s why.
Charles Hamilton should be flying the friendly skies while that dude is on the cover of XXL , for real.
i just listened to his song, it’s a piece of shit anyway, whether he’s biting or not. but he is definitely biting. i like rhymefest’s call on medium sized sweater wearing hipsters who sell headphones at the mac store. suckass.
@ Mysterious
LOL THATS WHATS UP!!!
How is a CH fan gonna call a the beats “petty”?
It’s just like this cats to say some shit like “as petty as a beat”
that totally sums up their attitude, its DISRESPECTFUL TOWARDS HIP HOP.
Not to sound like a loser, but if it wasen’t for “petty old beats”, i’d probably be on some junkie shit right now, half way to homelessness.
Hip Hop Saved My life, beats are anyting BUT petty, Beats are everything to me, Beats are my religion, Beats are my sancturary, Beats are my CHURCH.
If I was Charles Hamilton I would be ASHAMED of my fan base, I would PERSONALLY tell them ALL to pipe down, because they are only embarrasing him further.
Long Live Beats. You petty motherfuckers.
Salutation to Charles Hamilton.
Such Practicing Practitioners whose tangible and intangible work ethic exhaustively jogs to the level asthmatic, frame-rockin Geniuses in gym class running the weekly mile for extra credit.
Whose artistic and professional progression proudly proceeds faster than Legless sprinters at an Olympic Time Trial.
Such Material-Less “artists” allow more reputable, well-respected lyricists to recieve just-due credit for the philosophic and contemporary worth of their lyrics:
“Don’t Shoot it if you can’t Aim it. Don’t miss him. If he Kill ya then you Can’t blame’em. That’s just how the Dice roll when you Can’t fade’em. Get too deep up in that Water, now they Can’t Save’em”
-Weezy F “Oh No” [Appropriately Titled]
Thank you Mr. Hamilton for being an active Vice of self-exploitation–available for research used to find the CURE for such Artists Integrity Diminishing Steadily [AIDS] Diseases which frustratingly block the consciousness from recognizing TRUE MC’s, Producers, Hip Hop Significatiers and ALL authentic spokesperson(s) for the beautiful, diversely vibrant, life-blood for the Mind and Soul, artistic personification of HOPE and REALITY which is HIP HOP.
::CHEERS::
VANDALYZM AND ALL OTHER “REAL-SHIT ARTICULATORS” STAND UP AND BREAK THE LADDER BENEATH YOU
” Tarek said…
Any real producer would be like “fuck the beat, I’ll go ahead and make a better one than that…” Dilla did that all the time. If someone hyped up a beat, dude would just delete it and make another one. Don’t try to make a name for yourself on some bullshit. I mean…you just heard this track? Lol, people will do anything to make a name for themselves.
March 30, 2009 11:53 AM”
that’s the kinda mindstate that CH fans are in… any real producer wouldn’t steal a beat you idiot. and dilla did stress some of those occurrences or why do you think there is a remix of “got till it’s gone”…
and last but not least: spade ain’t trying to make a name out of this. dude is well known even over here in europe…
(Sighs)
First off…..Black Spade is dope…..
The whole thing really is crazy. The real tragedy is that this whole situation is showing the HUGE disconnect between 2 generations of Hip-Hop, 2 generations, might I add, that aren’t even that far apart from each other.
People who are IN THE GAME came on the blog site and told CH’s fans that the song was ripped off. People who make a LIVING off of it, and know the difference between tracks, the deal with them everyday. And people were STILL defending CH on this……
This is the reason I gave up on the Hip-Hop argument. Its obvious that the same rules do not apply anymore. If this would have happened circa 92′-97′, heck, before THEN, we probably would have been reading about this getting physical in The Source or XXL. It happens now, is VEHEMENTLY denied, and now, is defended by the fan.
Forget that you do or don’t like CH’s music……at the end of the day, all BS wanted was credit for a joint he obviously could have gotten paid for. This is the main problem, taking food out of someone’s mouth, and then lying to his face about it. Not only does CH not have respect for BS musically, he also disrespected him as a MAN.
This man might have kids to feed, and he graciously only asked for credit, knowing that if people liked the joint, the money will come. Its called PAYING DUES.
I honestly hate that this is what it is all coming down to. The man BROKE DOWN THE WHOLE SONG. I don’t care how much of a fan I am, if this was to happen to an artist I liked, and he/she lied this bad about the situation when the proof was obvious?
No more of my money for you.
Whatever the outcome, I wish the best for Spade, dude is ridiculous. And his “G” far exceeded CH’s.
I really wish you niggas would stop dicking. I’m not going to say it’s clear charles made the beat nor will I say the same for black spade…NO one know’s but them and them alone (and maybe the nigga who was there when they made it. So don’t gimmie your “I know he jacked the beat” dickinthebutt bullshit.
Another thing it’s seems a tad odd that this all comes about around the year his album is suposed to drop…strange right? I mean the mixtape was made some years ago If any one remebers that. Why didn’t he adress it then? Very Queer…get off my nigga Charles dick please and thank you. holla at me on FaceeBook Charles,lol!
My take is here:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=10092244&blogId=480481184
Hope it doesn’t get lost in the sauce.
Shame on everyone who never heard of Spade before this, BTW.
Hahaha…”Fuck this rap shit i listen to classical”
http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/images/ff/e4/1048024/original_image.png?1238601571
Charles If your reading this…..
I wish you would make good on that threat, homie!!!!!!
Go through these dude’s catalogs so that you could actually learn something about production and Hip Hop in general.
Cats like 14kt and Black Spade could actually teach you how to put a track together.
You’re on a label bro, you have legal ramifications…. Cats are indie and don’t give fuck except punching you in the face.
oh yeah Charles….
you’re going to have some problems with 14kt’s catalog…..FACT!!!!!
I’ll be real amused to see what you come up with.
You’ll soon find out you’re out of your league, and not as talented as you’ve convinced fans you are.
goddamn..what is with all the essays man..lol
Shining….cant you see it shining…oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
That sample is tight. I like Charles Hamilton but you look real suspect right now and I know you feel it. Wale says you got a lot of trouble coming your way…and I believe him
A…I don’t know shit about how this particular situation came to be-and frankly I think ya’ll should keep that “inspirational” music poppin’! Why not use the same sample again…And have the sickest niggaz in the city murder bo-fum…I’m wit it… Prospect…HipHopBaby.net showin’ all love!!
this is all hilarious. i vote for Black Spade. man, i thought all this only went down on OKP!!!
“We need a REVOLUTION, no BULLSHIT!”
lol
Black Spades dope yo..
well weres the chuck footage of him re-making the beat?
since he really made it..were is it?
hip hop is so lame now days they let homo niggas get away with the wackest shit…str8 up
Mr.Zodiak just admitting to doing something else we don’t allow in hip hop ..”SNITCHING”..wow alot of bitchassness is coming from that side of the world right now..
wes t: It wasn’t CH who threatened to go through people’s catalogs; it was a commenter on his blog.
just saying:
ok, cool, that was my bad then
…. I was about to say!
MR ZODIAK…..
that was the most non-threatening ‘threat’ I had ever seen in my life. I hope you weren’t serious, fam!
Whoever made that comment needs to study the game a little closer to know that threat holds no bearing and couldn’t stop cats from doing what they do.
I still encourage Mr. Zodiak to visit those catalogs and listen to some dope music, because there will be no casualties (in this non-war) on account of him.
Ayo Shout out to Black Spade first of all. Heard the homies work and its magnificent. Much Respect…As far as Charles is concerned?…Cmon son, how you gone Zip up Pro Tools Files and LEAVE The evidence inside of the Zip….then claim youre not caught red-handed…I barely have heard any of Charles work besides the Brooklyn Girls joint, and honestly his music + The whole Diva/Metrosexual Rap style niggas are kickin nowadays isnt my cup of tea anyhow….Stop stealing, do your own shit and kid…The mere mention that you could “Kill Hip Hop”…Something that was around before you even were thought of….is laughable…Just keep blogging where youre @ and entertaining your little crowd and leave the shit alone b.
Much Respect Kenny Fresh….sorry it happened to you Black Spade, keep up the work homie and Charles get a life lol…
-P
http://www.drumgang.com
Wes,
I don’t even know how 14KT’s name got brought into all of this anyway??
Besides for Spade shoutin him & Buff1 out in the video and him leaving 1 comment on here, I don’t really understand why he got singled out by this “Zodiak” character
I mean, if you’re gonna go after everyone who joined in on the CH sonning, then lets not forget:
Just Blaze
?uestlove
Phonte
Slug from Atmosphere
Illmind
House Shoes
Rhettmatic
Chino XL
Nicolay
Miss Info
Karen Civil
Its The Real
FWMJ
Elliott Wilson & RapRadar
the list goes on & on
but yet this dude is worried more about 14KT??
damn… guess KT must be really doin it right now to trump all the others mentioned! LOL!!!
BLACK SPADE, HERE’S MY PLAN FOR YOU. AND THIS GOES FOR THE OTHER EMCEES / PRODUCERS I LISTED ABOVE, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO GETS IN THE WAY: I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ALBUM, EVERY SONG, AND I WILL FIND EVERY SAMPLE. ONCE I FIND THE SAMPLE, I WILL CONTACT THE ESTATES AND/OR RECORD LABELS OF SAID ARTISTS. IT’S A SHAME THAT SO MANY UNDERGROUND RAPPERS/RAP LABELS DON’T CLEAR SAMPLES – QUITE THE GLASS CEILING – DON’T YOU THINK? I HOPE THESE UNDERGROUND EMCEES / PRODUCERS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SAVED UP TO CLEAR THESE SAMPLES, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEIR ALBUMS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME COLLECTORS ITEMS. THAT’S MY WORD. AND MY WORD IS MY BOND. ANYONE CAN GET IT.
^^^^
Snitch ass nigga get the fuckouttahea.
That’s a capitol offense.
All I want to know is where is Charles now?
Care to comment on Black Spades video?
I’ma put it like this. You don’t wanna go snitchin on producers. Because I have a phone number in my cell that can take Sonic The Hedgehog away from Charles Hamilton. And I’ll just leave it at that.
LMAO @ MOONSATELLITE
Right? wow, i didn’t even think about that.
on some real shit, i’m a huge Charles Hamilton fan. i think dude is a genius lyricist and he’s only gonna get better in the years to come. i never been too crazy about all his beats but, as far as this issue goes, he definitely stole Spade’s beat. i think it is a situation that kinda spiraled outta control for him and now he’s in too deep to admit that he jacked ol boy’s work.
he made a mistake and i don’t think that everybody should be completely shittin’ on him for this one isolated incident.
bottom line: he was wrong but everybody is entitled to make a mistake. hopefully he’ll learn from it and will continue to do his thing.
“If at this point you feel like I have to lie to you, stop listening to me.
Dead ass.”
- Charles Hamilton
With that, I invite everyone to boycott him with me. DEAD ASS. lolololololololzzZzzZZZzZzz.
would it be wrong to kill that track?
haha
i really digg the beat
its crazy a song that meant so much to dude he lies about
Shits Nuts
shout out Chuck still dig ya music
shout out Black Spade im lookin for more music
Kenny get at me
That was a nice cop out to what I said earlier, apparently you can drop a rant of 1000 paragraphs yet when I speak…
Pause.
You’re hella gassed over gettin a response from someone who isn’t spending their day criticizing other people’s career in half assed rants.
Pause.
At least the Mysterious Benefactor had something relevant to post in, and I understand that. But still, the nigga has like 40 mixtapes out and now all the haters are coming out of their holes. Shit, it’s hella said to see this lame finding the smallest shit to hate on. ‘Oh man, I only want 4 to 5 mixtapes a year lol!’ The fuck outta herrre, lol! Blatant haterism, nice.
I say this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NziCAHSghRE
I cant believ he ever realy made a beat if he stole and lied about this one you digg flat out and no one knows who he is. he has 3 times more projects then spade. lol if spade had 13 mix tapes he would be the million dolla man lol. all that grind is dumb if you not making good shit. which ch aint doing.he has a base of nerds and fags and thats cool cause some one had to pick up that group. no one is gonna diss him cause he cant rap. he done rhyme fest killes serious killed him he cant rap better then no one on his team. he can grind away and do all the mix tapes you want just still wont have an album. soldier boy killed him 2
This Charles Hamilton dude is a clown.
Damn, all of these CH supporters are compleeeetely missing the point of this. If you used another dudes beat just admit to it and give credit where credit is due….Its the basics of being a man and having integrity. Now you got Chucky threatening to get every up and coming producer/hip hop group sued for uncleared samples. Thats the ultimate definition of some faggot shit. Charles is that kid that lost the football game and took his ball home crying while everybody else is still trying to play. Just man up lil man and stop being a homo about the shit. I had DJ Bless jack a melody off of one of my beats for “The Beehive” song off of Lil Kims album by the same name. These new kids in hip hop have absolutely no morals/values/integrity and are the most spoiled arrogant pieces of shit the Earth has seen.
http://WWW.MYSPACE.COM/BEATSBYNONSENSE
Young Meta is bout to snitch on underground cats and his sig is telling snitches to get the fuckouttahere..LOL
Wait a damn second. This is where all you Portland HipHop heads are?
That’s out of the way. Comments on this topic, enough has been said. It’s obvious what is going on. Good for Black Spade and bad for CH, I guess he won’t be doing to many shows in Portland.
Aight.
I make beats also.
I’m 14, granted, but I’ve been pretty deep into this shit for 2 years.
As far as Bob, I wanna say that the two beats are, in fact, mastered quite differently.
Blame it on the Rough-ness of Spade’s copy, sure.
Just know that Charles put (at least a LITTLE) more work into his copy.
My verdict:
Charles stole the beat from Spade’s Myspace.
Charles THEN added some work into the beat, and used it on The Pink Lavalamp.
My Suggestion:
Come clean Charlie.
As far as the “Charles put some work into his copy” part of my post;
Most notably.
The beat ducks on the kicks.
Signature Charles-Hamilton.
(not to say he started it, but he does use it alot)
It also sounds like it has an extra “AHHH” on it during the verse, possibly Charles recorded that himself, or whatever.
yeah man. im on spade side. a nigga dont want money, juss give em credit. and hamilton a pussy anyways, he shouldnt talk that gangsta shit.
charles has no artistic integrity haha
@Jaylen!
I can buy that, I did notice something like that.
You got a good ear kid! keep doin your thing playboy!!
yo.
peeped the blog for a while. first time posting a comment.
to the OGs posting in here… much love. as a music lover, its so got damn refreshing to see a collection of cats (that actually know what the fuck is up) stand up for somethin real and against some fake shit. props.
to the kids that think charles hamilton is anything more than the rapping equivalent of the cartoons he wears on his shirts… sorry yall missed out on the first few decades of hip hop.
really tho… i just felt i needed to type somethin to vent my frustration with kids and “artists” nowadays.
all bull shit aside. lying is one of the simplest and most direct forms of disrespect.
and chucky cheese has been throwin fibbs our way as long as he’s been wearin pink tees.
to take an persons art and repurpose it… is one thing. to take a man’s work and not only take credit for it… but to say that THAT MAN is lying, and STOLE YOUR WORK….
thats an unforgivable offense in my book.
it gets me heated to see this go down. as a graphic/web designer… ive had my shit jacked numerous times.
hell, even at my last firm i had bosses (whom never even opened photoshop/illustrator) take credit for the blood/sweat/tears i put in. shit is beyond demoralizing.
and thats with me havin no real emotional/vested interest in my work. if it were a painting, or a poster or some shit that i did for myself … i couldnt imagine how i would react.
id imagine it be the same way for a musician.
the fact my man spade even had to make a video to CLEAR HIS NAME … is ridiculous.
MAYNE. i could go on for days… but im too faded/heated.
i really just wanted to chime in and show love/appreciation to the blog and some of the Gs that posted.
*salute*
Damn nigga, when are you gonna let that shit go? These songs were made a long ass time ago. It all started from the song: Golden time of day @ around 4:15. Alot of these people respect your opinion as you should respect theirs, you don’t have to talk trash.
I just accidentally stumbled upon this, first I read about it. I’ve never even heard of Charles Hamilton before but I’ve been listening to Black Spade for years now. I guess I am out of touch. Or in touch. Or something. Spade has been a workhorse and long overdue for some positive attention, it is just a shame it had to come out like this.
honestly,
read this blog from links to comments.
while reading i didn’t know who charles hamilton was. to me, his rebuttal sounded desperate and ignorant.
i am familiar with black spade though, i happen to have his album, and after listening to both songs i seems like CH did bite.
only after finishing the entire read did i figure out who charles hamilton is. i was like “oh that dude?” and instantly i remember really not really feeling his music video.
sorry charlie, everybody knows what is, what it sound like, what it look like and what it is.
black spade’s music video is tight though. just sayin.
100-aboriginal peace
CHARLES HAMILTON U LIL BITING ***** U HAVE REACHED UR PEAK LYING LIL **** RESPECT THE GAME ****FACE AND MAN UP”
i dont talk nice jus call it like “I” c it
A little late, but I personally would have loved to hear Spade over the track. I am a B. Spade fan- anyday! I can’t say I own a Charlie Hamilton track out of the 30,000+ songs in my collection. Not dissin dude, at all..But, to be honest, I had never heard of the dude until I saw a free with him, Mickey Factz, and Corey Gunz, and with me or anyone else (I am sure) first impressions are pretty meaningful.. Hmm lets just say I wasn’t impressed with what I saw, and post that freestyle session, its all been pretty wiggity _ _ _ _ (fill in the four letters) –
With that said, Honesty goes a long way ( In life in general) Who knows, maybe you and Spade could have networked… Build bridges, don’t burn em.
- Be easy
C&A
I was one of the first people to comment on this April 1st when it came to light and I was told to brush it off as a joke. This looks like no joke.
Fuck that nigga Charles Hamilton.
We i.e. Spade, Tef, Van, and every other STL nigga tryin’ to do this thing here the right way are sick of niggas like this.
Now those are so humble, low key cats, but fuck that. That nigga Charles Hamilton is a bum.
And this is a smidgen of a big picture. Somebody at some label thinks this kid is talented. And I’m sure he was until his feeble mind ran outta ideas.
I know what the nigga was thinkin’, “Who’s gonna know”, “Who’s gonna find out?”, it’s just for a mixtape.
Nigga that streets talk and the internet screams.
STOP BITING OUR STYLE, STEEZ, SWAG, WHATEVER.
LOL @ Charles saying people hate him because hes mainstream?
I have never heard him on the radio..
How many albums has he sold?
Where is his video on MTV?
People hate punks, bitches, and liars.
Which makes hating this kid so easy.
Its easy to hate when you bring it on yourself.
im late to this damn story but all this hype on charles hamilton has got to stop, period. i dislike the fact that he samples songs that i often hear around me.
i gave the dude a chance, but now this story blew up lol
This is dumb.. Its obvious that Charles took the original and made his own small changes to it.. But this is nothing but a bunch of Hamilton haters getting together to find more reasons to hate him.. The man has gigs of mixtapes out listen to those too then you can say something but dont just hop on a site after hearing a couple tracks and say everything he does sucks.. He has at least five songs that any and every person will love.. just look at them all and you will find something that you like…
Im a CH fan and i support him whether or not he took the beat he’s still smashing tracks and putting out good music….
u guys are tools…this is all over one song that was on a mixtape? how many ppl rap over other ppls beats…listen to the rest of his shit…it would be hard to steal all the other 130 beats he’s made. So what if he stole one beat who the fuck cares…get a life nd get off this dudes dick before he becomes infertile. overall charles is young and made a mistake by lying about the shit..nd for that he’s a pussy..but his musics is still nice so fuck it.
-”how many ppl rap over other ppls beats”
Plenty. But generally they don’t take credit for producing it themselves.
-”So what if he stole one beat who the fuck cares”
Black Spade cares. To you, it may be “just a beat”, but to him, it’s something he crafted and put hard work into, just have someone take it and, even worse, take credit for it.
-”overall charles is young and made a mistake by lying about the shit”
It’s good that you can at least see the truth. The issue he made is refusing to own up to his mistake.
I’ll make it clear that I’m not on the hate wagon. I’m on the indifference wagon. But you have to remember…
“There’s a sign at the door: no bitin’ allowed. And if you didn’t read it I suggest you do so.”
It is Ashame and sad when A grown man is such A compulsive liar. As A Recording Artist / Producer myself. I have learned over the years to just keep my opinion to my self unless it is positive.
There is soooo much Music out there that If something is not to your liking. Just turn the ish off and move on.
But Charlie Hamilton has repeatedly and like clockwork made a complete fool of himself. I understand he does work hard and and I respect that. He grinds his little heart out. Its just the choices this cat makes are horrible and I think he just acts before he thinks. Plus he is well Aware that Negative Publicity is the easiest and fastest sureshot way to make noise. (example: paris hilton, Amy whinehouse, etc)
The Issue w/ Rhymefest was horrible. Duke lacks respect in general for people. The joint the fest did the “superSonic” track is classic so I guess something good came out of hamiltons bad move.
I remember the 1st Interview I saw w/ Charlie. Tho I dug his drive, ambition and imagination. Duke was over the top Egotistical and Immature.
Being such a fan of dope hiphop and growing up in the 90′s thru all the Classic ish, its sad to see some of these newer cats add to the dumb ish.
I love alot of new stuff, in fact there is more new dope talent right now then ever before and alot arent new at all but never stopped making dope ish, emcee’s and producers (Buff1, Median, Finale, mono/poly, pac div, samiyam, illmind, m-phazes, raks-1, tanya morgan, afta-1, black spade, will widdoss, Intact, Dela, Invincible, mokaonly, D. Rose, Kay, Onra, Take, Dj Jamad & Floyd the locsmif, david luke, 14kt, DERT, Blu, Leaf Erikson, Majestik Legend, Ahu, Dorian Concept, ……
MAn I can keep goin and going and going……
Everyone knows Black Spade did that beat. and the longer Charley keeps on acting like a child…. the deeper of a hole he is going to dig himself…..
Honestly, I am super happy this happened, because all this Wack publicity due to Beatjacking is giving Black Spade more shine…
and I am going to be as sincere as possible.
To Serve w/ love was the dopest album I have purchased in a long time. And everything duke does is amazing. So its good more people finally will get to hear his music.
Im sure Spade is just as happy..
hahahah
Peace to FRESH SELECTS for bringing Truth to the Light.
aiight Im Ghost,
Sincerely,
DUTCHMASSIVE (RAWKUS 50) | THE HOBBYSHOP HERO
HTTP://WWW.THEHOBBYSHOPHERO.BLOGSPOT.COM
Peace
5000
what a cunt,if you cant make a own beat you must suck,same with sampled based producers,easy to use someone elses work to build a beat arround(drums and bass) producers step ya game up,sample oneshot,do you gott the picture?
Man Illskillz you a fool for that shit. How would that sound in like 1991?
Oh dont use other peoples music to make beats around bass and drums!!!
Psshhh, so there goes like all the classic shit for the next five years, the RZA’s, the Primo’s, The Beatminerz.
Its all about loops, samples, vandalism.
All i know from this is that Kurtzwiel K2600 that spade used to make that beat sounds so so dope… imma have to try and find one now =p
Imma put it out there Charles Hamilton is an ill cat if u aint heard nothin but “Brooklyn Girls” u doin ya self a disservice go cop “Its Charles Hamilton” “Well Isn’t This Awkward” and “Crash Landed”
With that being said after reviewin the facts Charles is pulling a straight up BItch move Takin Black’s beat and not ownin up to it probobly cause u fine tuned it urself what next U gon tell rhianna that the “Neverland” beat didnt have her voice in it boii u losing respect even if u dont kno where tha base sample was from u kno u aint sing or take it direct charles that is blatently Black Spade on that sample
Hamilton you need to humble yourself homie or lose to another random white kid in a Freestyle battle or Rhymefest take your pick
BS keep doin u Charles apologize and then Keep doin u
PS Still better than most of tha rappers out include half of the top ten
dumass even in a sega shirt, that kurzweil made most yoru game soundtracks
so you are already controversially on the Detroit bandwagon and you just called their most sacred production tool a fuckin motif. your motif can do a lot of things and I am jealous of it but you have to save the whole auto industry like gung ho to move a unit out that way after graverobbing and shitting so hard on their musical production
“i made that on my motif!”
Damn Charlie boy… you done fucked up, you know you done fucked up right… you fucked up… you know you done fucked up right… yeah you. lol! such a shame… Johnny DONT DO IT!! (c) 10cc
You guys on here hate so fucking hard its sad. -sigh- washed up lowlifes have nothing to do these days, I see. How about this, why don’t you go blog about how horrible S.B is, or how fucked up most of today’s rap is in general. I’m not going to believe everything I hear, and most certainly not something that could easily be botched or fabricated. How do I know these are the real deal? Hell, if printscreen can be manipulated I’m pretty sure beats can too. Better yet, why spend quality time ranting on someone you don’t like? You and Spade must like eachother or something. (-__-”)
HOLY SHIT!!! I noticed erry beat Charles is accused of jacking his lyrics explain it all, he said in brooklyn girls “the beat is A minor” to make it sound like he made it before hand, thats were his music lessons came in handy I guess(yes I’ve studied dude cuz he inspired me to produce, even tho I’m really disapointed in this ugly truth) he also said “this beat is….” some kind of note I really gave up listenin to duyde after pink lava lamp(exept for tears of fire and barbera walters) to have an album coming out and this much bad buzz is NOT a good sign
I’m a producer myself and I TOO have been jacked from beats, and no one would believe that I made it, which is why I dont release beats on the internet, I rap aswell so the onlyone taking credit for my creation is me
It seems producers are feeling the recession when they stealin music. Fools is getting grimy and hongry for this game. I just read on another site that the song, Build You Up, Tear You Down by Kurupt was produced by the homie Quazedelic, but Terrace Martin was takin credit for it. BEWARE PRODUCERS OF LURKING HONGRY BEAT SNATCHAZ!
The end of it….
“Why Charles Hamilton Is The Greatest Rapper Alive” —
http://literaryslumber.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-charles-hamilton-is-greatest-rapper.html
Although I don’t have a reason to believe he didn’t steal it,
Didn’t he mention there was a Fruity Loop file as well?
…..and it starts again…..